Reformedguy
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So they returned in love God so God gave them a new heart so they would love God? Good one, well thought out.
Dueteronomy 30:6
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There you go truncating facts again
read the whole text then you will not be so confused
and pay attention to comments before you post as this was explained to you last post
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Still missing the point, I see
They returned to and obeyed and Loved God
but after the purification of their heart, they could love God with all their heart
as the dross from their heart was removed
Why do you think i kept telling you that you had truncated verse 6
Reformedguy
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So there Ss a difference between loving God and loving God with all your heart? lol Show us
Ot course there is
It is a matter of intensity
Read the texts
Read verse 2 and 16 together
compare with verse 6
and think
TibiasDad
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We both answer to the same Lord, my brother! The day is coming where these differences of thought will be left behind in unity against our greater, common foe to honor the name of our Lord and King.
Doug
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guest1
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And a BIG AMEN to that Doug !
Jesus did not teach men are born incapable of seeing
Men needed to be blinded so they would not see
John 12:40 —KJV
“He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.”
Had they not closed their eyes they could see
Acts 28:27 —KJV
“For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”
Jesus spoke to men in parables to prevent their seeing
Matt. 13:10–14 —KJV
“And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:”
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Sethproton
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Interesting that it says "free will to achieve perfection" but not that anyone has done it other than Jesus.
I have yet to find a verse that says God created us incapable of obedience
Well, that is Pelagianism which some of the Calvinist here appear to not know or care to know
Theo1689
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Why do we have to have a verse that says "God created us incapable of obedience", when YOU don't have a veres that says, "God created us CAPABLE of obedience"?
Double standards much?
In the meantime, would you like to discuss:
Gen. 6:5?
Isa. 64:6?
John 6:44?
Rom. 3:10-18?
Rom. 3:19-20?
Rom. 8:7-8?
1 Cor. 2:14?
It so happens in the very passage under discussion contains
Deuteronomy 30:11-16 (ESV)
11 “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
14 But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.
16 If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and then your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
Certainly not perfectly but ability is shown above
Why would God be angry at what He supposedly unconditionally pre-caused? Was He mad at His own mistake?
But God's reaction proves that their choices were their own libertarian fault, and it angered God.
Genesis 6:5 (KJV)
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:6 (KJV)
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Calvinism leads to some strange conclusions
God winds up redeeming his own determinations
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Ladodgers6
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Tom, now I know you are just skimming over our posts. Because I said I would address all passages you provide. And in return for you to address the ones I provide. Like Romans 5:12-21, fair enough?
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Ladodgers6
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Bear with me, I'm feeling a bit under the weather, I will address these passages in the next couple of days. BTW, these passages do not help your cause, especially the Prophecy that Jesus references to in Isaiah 28:5!
No problem
but so far all we have your unsupported claim
BTW I do hope you will feel better
I just looked at your post
i see nothing there about you stating you would address the passages I provided
And I did comment of Romans 5:12
Theo1689
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That's an interesting question. If you would like to discuss it, you are free to start your own thread.
Refresh my memory... Are you the one who keeps perverting Scripture by arbitrarily adding the word "libertarian" at every third word?
So where is there any room for "ability to obey", when the ONLY thing they can do is evil?
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Ladodgers6
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LOL...thanks for doing the leg work for me. So, did Pelagius believe in Adam's sin being imputed? Because you do not believe in Native Demerit, correct? So, your belief is Pelagian! You asked & answered your own question.
You are very confused
Pelagianism denied that man was affected by the fall
Native depravity is contrary to that
It holds that man inherited a sin nature because of the fall