Faith alone, or trust alone, PRECEDES any action. Action alone without trusting God is empty works. And based on the precedent in scripture, it was Abraham’s trust that established righteousness BEFORE he had been circumcised, before the requirements of the Mosaic law WERE ADDED.Yep, faith involves action. Otherwise is just like the demons do.
For I have chosen him, so that he will command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, in order that the LORD may bring upon Abraham what He has promised.”
No, Abraham was commanded to leave his home to be blessed. He was righteous as a result of being obedient and acting.
Wrong as shown above.
Wrong as shown above. Action.
Yep, a faith acted out.
at this point I'm assuming no one here actually Knows anything definitivestill no definitive answers to be found on the Judaism forum yet
about the oh so important and essential Oral law...(?)
And is not proven without action. Faith without works is dead. #Faith alone, or trust alone, PRECEDES any action.
Abraham's first act was to be obedient and leave his home in obedience to God, Genesis 12:4. He believed and acted. Sorry, but you're debunked yet again.Action alone without trusting God is empty works. And based on the precedent in scripture, it was Abraham’s trust that established righteousness BEFORE he had been circumcised, before the requirements of the Mosaic law WERE ADDED.
I just did.You cannot get around that.
Nope. That's just your gnosticsm shinning thru.What is that faith placed in? Mythical stories, superstitions, sinner’s prayer? No, it is placed in a celestial Messiah revealed by an inner moral consciousness.
Rotfl...Look up at the stars, scripture records, because the celestial Messiah is all around us, and in us, raising up a single family (“seed”) for eternity.
You read too much gnostic comics.Outward material, sensual, idolatrous rituals have no efficacy for salvation. They are mere symbols at best representing anstract concepts or ideas pertaining to a celestial Messiah indwelling the human heart and soul.
Bump what? How's your righteousness working out?BUMP
I know talking to some posters is like talking to a wall, but sometimes good can be found in contrasting ideas, demonstrating the weaknesses and error held by others. That is why I discuss things with people I have little chance of persuading. If nothing else it reaffirms or serves to fine tune my own position. When the discussion begins repeating itself, then I usually move on to something else.at this point I'm assuming no one here actually Knows anything definitive
very Cult like behavior, maybe even a bit Supremacist in nature
At this point you were given the answer. 613 commandments and 7 Rabbinical. I believe you got a link as well.at this point I'm assuming no one here actually Knows anything definitive
very Cult like behavior, maybe even a bit Supremacist in nature
I agree ?I know talking to some posters is like talking to a wall, but sometimes good can be found in contrasting ideas, demonstrating the weaknesses and error held by others. That is why I discuss things with people I have little chance of persuading. If nothing else it reaffirms or serves to fine tune my own position.
I agree with thisbut sometimes good can be found in contrasting ideas,
Like Jesus not fulfilling all of the commandments on his own?I agree with this
even tho we have different views on Qumran/DSS etc
I learned some things thru our engagements
That probably is how it has always been done, people exchanging ideas, weeding out the worst ideas and assimilating the best ideas. I don’t believe the so-called “prophets” sat around alone chanting until all these ideas popped into their head, or until an invisible force began moving the feather in their hand, like a Ouija board. For example, Noah’s flood was circulating a thousand years earlier as the epic of Gilgamesh. Therefore, “Moses” was not the first to write it down, he assimilated it.I agree with this
even tho we have different views on Qumran/DSS etc
I learned some things thru our engagements
Epic of G is not a story about the Flood to my understanding - only has a brief mention of it (?)Noah’s flood was circulating a thousand years earlier as the epic of Gilgamesh. Therefore, “Moses” was not the first to write it down, he assimilated it.
Rotfl... why can't you reply directly, bro?I consider OH and Rachel CARM friends
Eve as well
JuJu I just consider to be a Tool
Juju is a lot too literal for me, but I can work against it to make a point.I consider OH and Rachel CARM friends
Eve as well
JuJu I just consider to be a Tool
The oldest writings are Egyptian heiroglyphs and Sumerian cuneiform, maybe the writings from the Indie valley civilization (don’t know much about them). There is no written language older than those three that I am aware of. So it would be logical that an exiled Jew in Babylonia wrote most of the first five books derived from the most ancient writings available (and their interpretations/meanings), that is, sumerian cuneiform or Egyptian heiroglyphs. I read that Deuteronomy may have been based on Hebrew codes or laws existing before the Babylonian exile, maybe when there was a king David ruling over desert tribes. one interesting feature of semitic religion versus those around them is that semitic theology made men into gods (eg., Moses, Elijah, etc.) whereas, other religions made gods into men (Eg., Osiris).Epic of G is not a story about the Flood to my understanding - only has a brief mention of it (?)
I view writings going back to Adam's time, and certainly Moses had materials to draw on
proto-Hebrew is among the oldest AlphabetThe oldest writings are Egyptian heiroglyphs and Sumerian cuneiform,
Yes, because the whole law is summed up as “love your neighbor”.
“For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Gal 5:14)
”but you shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Lev 19:18)
you can be my Friend if you earn itwhy can't you reply directly, bro?
AG, I'm not really a friend to anyone online. I can be friendly or tough with a response.you can be my Friend if you earn it
if you really want to be