Correct.
Yes.
Why can't He do that?
Because you have a skewed view of God. God is not here to please you; isn't that correct?
Yep.
Maybe we can all simmer down.
This is the horrific demonstration of those who don't read the scriptures in context.
Who created Hell?
Isaiah 45
Research The Lamb's Book of Life.
Written before the foundation of this world.
Where is it stated he determines the majority of mankind to it?
It's not consistent with the other facts
It belies God's love for the world
it belies the fact he receives no pleasure from the death of the wicked and that he would rather men repent
You have created God in your image.
No from the bible
I get God loved the world
God is love
Takes no pleasure in the death of wicked and desires all to come to repentance
Anything contrary to those biblical facts is false
and presents a god in the image of a particular theology
You have created God in your image.
You are reduced to posting mindless repetition ignoring scriptural facts
From the bible
We get God loved the world
that God is love
That he takes no pleasure in the death of wicked and desires all to come to repentance
Anything contrary to those biblical facts is false
and presents a god in the image of a particular theology
nothing has changed
you ignore the evidence and repeat yourself
failing to address argumentation
From the bible
We get God loved the world
that God is love
That he takes no pleasure in the death of wicked and desires all to come to repentance
Anything contrary to those biblical facts is false
and presents a god in the image of a particular theology
Bob Carabbio
Well-known member
It's only a "theological" argument, and simple logic. IF everyone who will ever be Born Again had already BEEN SELECTED ("L" in action) even before the creation. Then OBVIOUSLY anybody who WASN'T SELECTED is only firewood and never could be anything else. Because of "I" NOBODY has any choice in the matter (not that Calvinists are too long on "Choice" anyway).
But then, of course there's Romans 9 that makes the selection of the "Elect" arbitrary anyway ("U" in action).
Since I was drawn, and convicted of SIN, then obviously I'm "Elect". And even though I "blew off" the Holy Spirit the first few dozen times, Eventually (at the age of 20), at the end of my rope, I surrendered, repented, and became a Christian. So the Calvinist would say "I" worked the way it was supposed to.
Of course in the last 6 months or so, my "Congestive heart failure" has kicked in with a vengeance, so chances are I'll get REAL answers to my questions before much longer anyway, and have a good laugh about all that I've been wrong about.
Calvin employed the same logic
Many professing a desire to defend the Deity from an invidious charge admit the doctrine of election, but deny that any one is reprobated (Bernard. in Die Ascensionis, Serm. 2). This they do ignorantly and childishly since there could be no election without its opposite reprobation. God is said to set apart those whom he adopts for salvation. It were most absurd to say, that he admits others fortuitously, or that they by their industry acquire what election alone confers on a few. Those, therefore, whom God passes by he reprobates, and that for no other cause but because he is pleased to exclude them from the inheritance which he predestines to his children.
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 1997).
Theo1689
Well-known member
The "firewood" comment is more than a little biased.
Too many people confuse "choice" with "determination".
We choose, but we don't determine things.
But none of what you described above is contrary to the Bible, so how is this a Biblical or theological argument?
Bob Carabbio
Well-known member
But totally accurate.
Per Calvin, we have no part in the decision one way or another.
It's a simple statement of fact based on the Calvinist reformed paradigm. There are other paradigms "proven" the same way.