Carbon
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Lol. If an unbeliever is among the elect, he will unto sayvation. ?
Don’t you worry.
Lol. If an unbeliever is among the elect, he will believe unto sayvation.
Don’t you worry.
Lol. If an unbeliever is among the elect, he will unto sayvation. ?
Don’t you worry.
Lol. If an unbeliever is among the elect, he will believe unto sayvation.
Don’t you worry.
Joe, just to make it clear, since there is always the chance you really don’t understand what I’m talking about.Note: I had no idea that there were people like you who thought Hebrews 4:12 only applied towards believers.
Of course, the attack on Calvinism never ends, does it joe?So I started this thread to see how widespread that error was among Calvinists.
Joe, one thing that separates us in or understanding of scripture and context is, ….. I’m not a humanist. With me, it starts with God and works downward. not with man and then works upward. Context is important Joe, who it is written to is important Joe. And at the Same time, God is immutable, His attributes never change.It appears you are alone so far.
Twister, remember that game?We will see who else believes like you that Hebrews 4:12 description of God's Word is not a universal truth about God's Word that applies to all who hear.
And dead judas understood Jesus teachings just like the others . Heb 4:12 is for all without discretion.
oops ?
The language used of him causes me to doubt it but good thing God is our Judge and not fallen man
Just when I thought you might be getting somewhere. ?I mean saved when he was initially following the Lord.
Eternal Security is not Biblical.
So you see those in Hebrews 6:4-8 as being at one time saved ?
Just when I thought you might be getting somewhere. ?
Thanks for your opinion . I can be respectful towards your beliefs even though we may disagree.
As it should be along with faithful and diligent study of the Bible to make sure what we believe and experience lines up with the scriptures.
And dead judas understood Jesus teachings just like the others . Heb 4:12 is for all without discretion.
oops ?
Good, now we agree. God's Word is alive and active, cutting to the heart, judging the thoughts and intentions of man...This is a universal truth that no one should dispute. That is why we use God's Word when preaching. We certainly don't use Calvin's words do we? And that is what got us into this mess, is that I used Hebrews 4:12 in a scenario with another poster as to why a person would be condemned after hearing the Gospel preached even though the man was indoctrinated by an atheist professor, and you said the truth didn't apply because it was written to believers.Joe, just to make it clear, since there is always the chance you really don’t understand what I’m talking about.
As far as God’s word being living and active, of course it applies to all of Adam’s posterity. It’s God after all!
A humanist, that is what you think I am. How sad. You obviously miss what non-Calvinist think, especially me. So you think that I believe our salvation starts with man and works up? It is sad that you think this when quite the opposite is true. And context is important, that is why I try to convince you that your conception of God and His salvation of man comes from an invention of man and not from God. And to be clear, as I have stated many times, none of us have it figured out, but we can learn from one another.Joe, one thing that separates us in or understanding of scripture and context is, ….. I’m not a humanist. With me, it starts with God and works downward. not with man and then works upward. Context is important Joe, who it is written to is important Joe. And at the Same time, God is immutable, His attributes never change.
To be honest your Arminianism is a mess. Stop thinking I agree with you on how your trying to put this all together. You should know better.Good, now we agree. God's Word is alive and active, cutting to the heart, judging the thoughts and intentions of man...This is a universal truth that no one should dispute. That is why we use God's Word when preaching. We certainly don't use Calvin's words do we? And that is what got us into this mess, is that I used Hebrews 4:12 in a scenario with another poster as to why a person would be condemned after hearing the Gospel preached even though the man was indoctrinated by an atheist professor, and you said the truth didn't apply because it was written to believers.
Yes it has.To be honest, this has drug out longer than it should.
Yea, that’s how I believe you understand scripture. Thankfully were saved by grace huh?A humanist, that is what you think I am.
No, don’t think so. I’ve been a non Calvinist for more that 30 years of my life. And I even studied for literally a few years 3-5 No, to prove Calvinism wrong and arminianism right.How sad. You obviously miss what non-Calvinist think, especially me.
No, I think you believe salvation is of the Lord. But you do start with man in your theology. You seem to put man on the same level as God.So you think that I believe our salvation starts with man and works up?
That’s your opinion, I expected nothing less.It is sad that you think this when quite the opposite is true.
If you agreed context is important this debate would have hardly gotten started. And you would probably be a Calvinist.And context is important, that is why I try to convince you that your conception of God and His salvation of man comes from an invention of man and not from God.
Yes we could.And to be clear, as I have stated many times, none of us have it figured out, but we can learn from one another.
God bless brother
Blather, nothing but blather. blah, blah, blah..To be honest your Arminianism is a mess. Stop thinking I agree with you on how your trying to put this all together. You should know better.
Or can you actually not understand what I’ve been trying to explain to you?
Yes it has.
Yea, that’s how I believe you understand scripture. Thankfully were saved by grace huh?
No, don’t think so. I’ve been a non Calvinist for more that 30 years of my life. And I even studied for literally a few years 3-5 No, to prove Calvinism wrong and arminianism right.
No, I think you believe salvation is of the Lord. But you do start with man in your theology. You seem to put man on the same level as God.
That’s your opinion, I expected nothing less.
If you agreed context is important this debate would have hardly gotten started. And you would probably be a Calvinist.
Yes we could.
?Blather, nothing but blather. blah, blah, blah..
No, don’t think so. I’ve been a non Calvinist for more that 30 years of my life. And I even studied for literally a few years 3-5 No, to prove Calvinism wrong and arminianism right.
Yea, I remember the problems, and that’s what they were as I was working through them. Finally I realized it was me and my wants that was the problem.You should have studied longer for Calvinism has a lot of problems
I don't fight God i believe his wordYea, I remember the problems, and that’s what they were as I was working through them. Finally I realized it was me and my wants that was the problem.
So how long you been fighting God for now?
longer than 3-5 years?
Just curious ?
ROFL.I don't fight God i believe his word
Not some false religious system like Calvinism
NopeROFL.
Well, if you believe His word, one day you'll finally arrive at Calvinism. Lord willing.