treeplanter
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I understand and I forgive youYou net is not working, cupcake.
You sense, rightly so, that you are not doing well in this debate
That is why you are now lashing out with the insults...
I understand and I forgive youYou net is not working, cupcake.
I am doing fine. I am just not responding the way you want.I understand and I forgive you
You sense, rightly so, that you are not doing well in this debate
That is why you are now lashing out with the insults...
God cannot do needless harm. I should say does not. I am just repeating what I said hours ago.Let's approach this from another angle
I'm not asking you to identify all harm and determine which does and which does not qualify as needless
THAT, would be presumptuous...
What I want to know from you is if there is a harm, one that you recognize as and believe to be needless, and you go ahead and inflict it anyway - are you immoral for doing so???
Anytime that God causes harm it is, by definition, needless because God never, ever needs to cause harm in order to achieve His desired endGod cannot do needless harm.
Again who in the world are you to judge God. You are engaging in a fools errand. But go ahead and pretend that you know better.Anytime that God causes harm it is, by definition, needless because God never, ever needs to cause harm in order to achieve His desired end
A surgeon has no other choice except to cut a person open {the harm} in order to remove a cancer {the greater good}
God is different
God ALWAYS has a choice
God NEVER, EVER needs to cut us in order to heal us
God can remove the cancer WITHOUT cutting {harm}
Feel free to argue that God cannot do harm, but it is nonsensical to argue that God cannot do NEEDLESS harm
What you ignore that God does not owe you anything.Anytime that God causes harm it is, by definition, needless because God never, ever needs to cause harm in order to achieve His desired end
A surgeon has no other choice except to cut a person open {the harm} in order to remove a cancer {the greater good}
God is different
God ALWAYS has a choice
God NEVER, EVER needs to cut us in order to heal us
God can remove the cancer WITHOUT cutting {harm}
Feel free to argue that God cannot do harm, but it is nonsensical to argue that God cannot do NEEDLESS harm
Wrong!What you ignore that God does not owe you anything.
His moral better - that's who I amAgain who in the world are you to judge God.
What does the Creator owe to the creation?Wrong!
If God wants to be regarded as righteous and just then He most certainly does owe us something!!
Why does God owe to those that disobey him.His moral better - that's who I am
That's who you are
That's who most every one of us are
Will you answer my question or not???
If there is a harm, one that you recognize as and believe to be needless, and you go ahead and inflict it anyway - are you immoral for doing so???
He owes it to us to comport Himself in a moral fashion - if He wants to regarded as good and just, that it isWhat does the Creator owe to the creation?
I'm not talking about God right nowWhy does God owe to those that disobey him.
Since God never acts in a needless way, the question is moot.I'm not talking about God right now
I'm talking about you
Will you answer my question or not???
If there is a harm, one that you recognize as and believe to be needless, and you go ahead and inflict it anyway - are you immoral for doing so???
You get more self absorbed by the post. Is is not a good look.He owes it to us to comport Himself in a moral fashion - if He wants to regarded as good and just, that it is
If God never acts in a needless way, then it naturally follows, that when He does act it's because He needs to actSince God never acts in a needless way, the question is moot.
You got me there, fella!You get more self absorbed by the post. Is is not a good look.
In first sentence change the word needs to want.If God never acts in a needless way, then it naturally follows, that when He does act it's because He needs to act
Because He is required to act
Because He is being forced to act
Who is requiring God to act, glen?
What is forcing God to do what He does?
Other than a voluntary conformance to logic
{i.e. won't make a square circle, for example}
and a voluntary conformance to His own Holy Nature
{i.e. won't act contrary to His own attributes}
I was under the impression that nothing and no one is greater than God!
I was under the impression that, as sovereign, God was in complete and total control
I guess not, though
Thanks for setting me straight!
Or could it be that you are dead wrong and nothing and no one compels God to do anything...?
I agree with you, glen - when God inflicts harm upon us it's because He WANTS TO!In first sentence change the word needs to want.
So you expect Gos to Bow to your every whim.I agree with you, glen - when God inflicts harm upon us it's because He WANTS TO!
Not because He HAS TO
In other words, when God inflicts harm it's needless harm rather than needful/needed harm
Again, it's the difference between a surgeon who has no other choice except to cut you open in order to remove the cancer and a sadist who needlessly cuts you open even though he could easily remove the cancer without cutting you
I agree with you, glen - when God inflicts harm upon us it's because He WANTS TO!
Not because He HAS TO
In other words, when God inflicts harm it's needless harm rather than needful/needed harm
Again, it's the difference between a surgeon who has no other choice except to cut you open in order to remove the cancer and a sadist who needlessly cuts you open even though he could easily remove the cancer without cutting you