Col. 1 Is Not About The Genesis Creation - Change My Mind

Fred said:
Clueless.

You wrote, "all the ones." but Eph. 1:16 doesn't apply.
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And if you read my original post you know what the argument is and which verses apply. You’re being frivolous because you don’t have a response which is quite sad.
 
JNelson said:
And if you read my original post you know what the argument is and which verses apply. You’re being frivolous because you don’t have a response which is quite sad.
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You need to be clearer in your assertions.
Cite any lexicon that shows Colossians 1:16-17 is not about the original creation.
 
JNelson said:
If we simply compare what Paul wrote in Eph 1 and Col 1 there’s no denying he’s writing about the same thing in both epistles.
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A sweeping generalization. Details matter. The expression "the same thing" isn't particularly useful. It is easy to point out similar themes. Both epistles provide exalted christology. It makes sense to study them together, detailed professional exegesis will uncover contrasts and ambiguity. Check out the works of Clinton E. Arnold and perhaps take a glance at Harold W. Hoehner[1] .

[1] Have his magnum opus, but haven't read it.
 
Stirling Bartholomew said:
A sweeping generalization. Details matter. The expression "the same thing" isn't particularly useful. It is easy to point out similar themes. Both epistles provide exalted christology. It makes sense to study them together, detailed professional exegesis will uncover contrasts and ambiguity. Check out the works of Clinton E. Arnold and perhaps take a glance at Harold W. Hoehner[1] .

[1] Have his magnum opus, but haven't read it.
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It’s not just similar themes, it’s the exact same theme in both passages.
 
Col 1: 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might come to have first place in everything. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross.


Whatever it is you are trying to say, it doesn't make sense. Jesus is first. He created everything, He holds everything together, He is the head of the body, the firstborn from the dead. Jesus has the rank of being first place in everything. From being to the end, Jesus is first. (from creation to the end when everything is reconciled, Christ is first).

What does all of this have to do with just the time "after his resurrection"? How can he be the creator of everything after his resurrection?
Jesus has preeminence. He is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
 
Caroljeen said:
Col 1: 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might come to have first place in everything. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross.


Whatever it is you are trying to say, it doesn't make sense. Jesus is first. He created everything, He holds everything together, He is the head of the body, the firstborn from the dead. Jesus has the rank of being first place in everything. From being to the end, Jesus is first. (from creation to the end when everything is reconciled, Christ is first).

What does all of this have to do with just the time "after his resurrection"? How can he be the creator of everything after his resurrection?
Jesus has preeminence. He is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
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You might want to read again my original post, I don’t think you understand the argument.
 
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