johnny guitar
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God ALONE can claim to be ETERNAL.That is not a clear scripture where Jesus says he is God.
God ALONE can claim to be ETERNAL.That is not a clear scripture where Jesus says he is God.
You are gods. Meaning NONE of them is ONE with The Father as The Son is.And at Psalms 82:6 Jesus says of men you are Gods. Meaning they are as equal as God as much as the Father is correct?
You are ducking the issue and that is since you say the Father called Jesus God and now an equal part of the Godhead calls men God that carries as much weight as the Father calling Jesus God.Nah! He is the WORD the LORD whom Isaiah saw.
Jesus clearly means EXACTLY what I said.But Jesus does not say there or anywhere that he was God.
NO ONE is called God in Scripture OTHER than God Himself.You are ducking the issue and that is since you say the Father called Jesus God and now an equal part of the Godhead calls men God that carries as much weight as the Father calling Jesus God.
Who I ask gave John the words to write John 1-14?You are ducking the issue and that is since you say the Father called Jesus God and now an equal part of the Godhead calls men God that carries as much weight as the Father calling Jesus God.
In your religion did John get it wrong?You are ducking the issue and that is since you say the Father called Jesus God and now an equal part of the Godhead calls men God that carries as much weight as the Father calling Jesus God.
At John 1 the him who is the creator has to be the Father because the life in the him is Jesus and thus the him can not be Jesus too.In your religion did John get it wrong?
Please explain.
Moses wrote:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
John wrote:
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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Never heard that one before.At John 1 the him who is the creator has to be the Father because the life in the him is Jesus and thus the him can not be Jesus too.
Total nonsense. The Word is The Creator. In HIM(The Word)was LIFE.At John 1 the him who is the creator has to be the Father because the life in the him is Jesus and thus the him can not be Jesus too.
Seems like you don't have an answer.How did we come up with three persons who are the same God? Good question.
You cannot because it is not there.I'm not even faulting you for denying it when you don't see it in Scripture.
Well, show us where the scripture says God is three persons...This is a perfectly good rational interaction with Scripture.
They are not each other can only mean they are not the same God. God is a title for our supreme head.But, taking from "they are not each other" and inferring " they cannot be the same God." is that same assumption, irrational leap in logic, you keep on making.
They made it upHow do we get the Trinity from Scripture?
Nope, it is more like an assumptionThe Trinitarian wording is a logical inference from the teachings of Scripture.
They have five basic misunderstandingsThrow out all the wordings, throw out the history, throw out the creeds, how can one tell if someone is a Trinitarian? Trinitarians believe five basic things:
The father...
- There is only one God. (Deut 6:4)
Yes and Jesus is his son. If Jesus is God that would mean two Gods
- The Father is God. (John 8:54)
Nope the son is the son of God...
- The Son is God. (John 1:1, 3, 18; 5:118; 8:58; 20:28; etc)
The HS is the spirit of God...
- The Holy Spirit is God. (Acts 5:3-4)
That is called rationalizing your nonsense...
- The Father, Son, and Spirit are relationally/personally distinct. (John 14:16-17, 26; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14)
I disagree with your assumptions... You assume the son is God and you assume that the HS is God. You say there is one God then you name three Gods that is foolishness. Who is the one God?If one believes these five things, then they are a Trinitarian; everything else is word choice. Does Scripture teach each of the five? Most definitively. Would you disagree with one or most of these? Maybe, but then, we can argue about something meaningful as opposed to whether or not my wording is found in Scripture. Because, that's just silly.
So are you saying not each other means they are each other?That's clearly not what any Trinitarian means when they say not each other.
Not each other can apply to any and everything...Not each other can only mean they are not each other...Why do you think a physical analogy can be applied to God like this?
So where is that written in the scriptures? You are claiming to believe the scriptures so show me where that rubbish is written. You are trying to rationalize your nonsense with non scriptureWe believe they are the same "what" while being different "who"s.
What you say must make sense, You are not making an analog as I did. You are still claiming Three whats make one what... which is no different from three whos' making one what. You are taking three person Gods and making a trinity one God. The scripture does not teach that sir...Compare that to your hundred dollar bill analogy? Oh yeah, they are not even close to being the same idea. You talking "what"s and "what"s, and I'm talking "what"s and "who"s. You need to do more than just assert that each who is a distinct what.
So are you saying they are the same person? You are funny. They are not the other person but they are the same person...lol...They are not the other person. That doesn't mean they are not the same God.
God Bless
How does that make Jesus God? The devil also existed before Abraham was born, so by your reasoning, the devil must be your God alsoIt was an awesome response to those who opposed Him.
Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!
Then Jesus is not divine since they are not each other...God ALONE is Divine.
So the spirit of Jesus is Jesus? Is that correct?The Spirit of God IS God.
How does that make Jesus God? The devil also existed before Abraham was born, so by your reasoning, the devil must be your God also
What is a mere creation?He does use "I am" in the present tense—so timelessness.
I've updated my list since the first page:
12 reasons I believe Jesus is God:
1. A mere creation cannot have eternally co-existed with God.
2. A mere creation cannot have co-created the world.
3. A mere creation cannot be enough to atone for an infinite crime against holiness.
4. A mere creation cannot contain the principle of life itself inside it.
5. A mere creation cannot destroy the power of death in itself.
6. A mere creation cannot receive worship from every created thing.
7. A mere creation cannot hold all authority in heaven and earth.
8. A mere creation would have admonitions not to idolize or worship it.
9. A mere creation cannot potentially live inside of all human beings.
10. A mere creation would not even be directly associated with anything divine.
11. A mere creation cannot demand that nothing be loved more than it as it would be commanding idolatry.
12. A mere creation cannot call itself the only absolute way and truth.
At the point you are willing to accept all 12 things, it is virtually indistinguishable for me from God anyway, and Jesus is functioning as God whether you use the term "God" or not. The Father becomes just one order of rank above Jesus with the same attributes, and that in fact corresponds to Trinitarian theology—Father and Son have the same attributes, but the Son submits to the Father.
Jesus has a God...
Where is that written in the scripture? You are saying that God died...God cannot die can he ?God took our place.
You already confessed Jesus is a Divine Person.Then Jesus is not divine since they are not each other...
So the spirit of Jesus is Jesus? Is that correct?
By divine I mean Godly..not God...Jesus is a Godly person but he is not God...You already confessed Jesus is a Divine Person.
Then Jesus is not God... When a man receives the spirit of God does the man become God?Yes, the spirit of Jesus is Jesus, just as the spirit of every man is the man Himself.
Jesus, Man AND God died according to His HUMANITY.Where is that written in the scripture? You are saying that God died...God cannot die can he ?
1 Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.