I answered this. What does James say?answer my question first:
In Romans 3 and 4; what do you think Paul wants us to know about justification, works, and faith?
I answered this. What does James say?answer my question first:
In Romans 3 and 4; what do you think Paul wants us to know about justification, works, and faith?
I answered this. What does James say?answer my question first:
In Romans 3 and 4; what do you think Paul wants us to know about justification, works, and faith?
where did you answer it?I answered this.
Go look. I'm not your secretarywhere did you answer it?
so you think a summary of Romans 3 and 4 is "faith is important:"Go look. I'm not your secretary
Let me help you out, it doesn't actually say faith alone does it?so you think a summary of Romans 3 and 4 is "faith is important:"
Let me help you out: the correct summary is of Romans 3 and 4 is Romans 5:1
"Therefore, since we have been justified through faith,"
then please please tell usLet me help you out, it doesn't actually say faith alone does it?
What does James tell us? You conveniently avoid that. That's why talking to you people about this becomes fruitless you just ignore the stuff you don't like.then please please tell us
what must we do apart from faith to be justified?
Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the lawEph 2: 8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.Titus 3:5 He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
It can't be works of the law: and it can't be work done in in righteousness,
what else is there?
James tell us we are vindicated to our neighbors by our works:What does James tell us? You conveniently avoid that. That's why talking to you people about this becomes fruitless you just ignore the stuff you don't like.
A dead faith had no works. You people preach either/or theology which isn't biblical.James tell us we are vindicated to our neighbors by our works:
James tell us a dead faith does not save
and a useless faith does not save
and the faith of demons does not save
your turn:
If it can't be works of the law: and it can't be works done in in righteousness,
what else is there?
so do you think God gives the gift of a dead faith?A dead faith had no works. You people preach either/or theology which isn't biblical.
No we make it dead.so do you think God gives the gift of a dead faith?
Still waiting
If it can't be works of the law: and it can't be works done in in righteousness,
what else is there?
So WHEN are we justified?No we make dead.
Hope you brought a book to read.
What "works" was James referring to?
There is no need to be justified before my neighbors. Theyre irrelevant in that regard.So WHEN are we justified?
Here a book for you:
now if you want to justify your faith to others lets see what a Catholic author has to say:
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Actually, James' point is very clear and simple, it is not a contrast between faith and works but between a real faith, a faith that works, and a fake faith, one that does not. "Show me your faith apart from your works, and by my works will show you my faith."
We do not see a living plant's roots, only its fruits. Others cannot see your faith, for it is invisible.
They can see only your actions, which show your faith as a tulip flower shows you that a tulip bulb has taken root The apparent contradiction between James, who says that we, like Abraham, are justified by works (2: 21), and Paul, who says that we, like Abraham, are justified by faith (Rom 4), is explained by looking at the context.
Paul's context is the relationship between the believer and God, while James' context is the relationship between the believer and his neighbor.
God sees your faith; your neighbor sees your works. Faith justifies us before God; works justify us before our neighbors.
There is no need to be justified before my neighbors. Theyre irrelevant in that regard.
WHEN are we justified (declare righteous by God)?There is no need to be justified before my neighbors. Theyre irrelevant in that regard.
Clement, who writes at a time contemporaneous enough with James’ to have a thorough understanding of edikaiōthē and the doctrine of the Apostles that is surrounding it. Citing James 2:23, and likely having the whole section in mind when exegeting Hebrews 11, he writes that Abraham proved his faithfulness in the performance faithful acts:
Not only does Clement endorse the view that Abraham was vindicated by his sacrifice of Isaac, as he was found faithful in our sight because of it, he linguistically uses the term “justified” to mean “vindicated” elsewhere in the letter.
please tell us!!Clement of Rome
Let us therefore join with those to whom grace is given by God. Let us clothe ourselves in concord, being humble and self- controlled, keeping ourselves far from all backbiting and slander, being justified by works and not by words. . . . Why was our Father Abraham blessed? Was it not because of his deeds of justice and truth, wrought in faith? . . . So we, having been called through his will in Christ Jesus, were not justified through ourselves or through our own wisdom or understanding or piety or works which we wrought in holiness of heart, but through faith, whereby the almighty God justified all men. (Letter to the Corinthians 30:3, 31:2, 32:3-4 [A.D. 95]).
Cyprian of Carthage writes:
“men are tried by God for this purpose, that they may be proved.”
Here is Jerome....A later Latin writer, Hilary of Poitiers,
Abraham had proved, by the sacrifice of his son,