I chose vanilla ice cream last night

[Simpletruther]

The strange thing is, as much as I like vanilla, it wasn't really turning me on. I was actually craving strawberry instead.

There were no other compelling reasons to choose vanilla, it wasn't cheaper, more healthy etc etc. Yet I chose it.


Ok that never happened, it was a parable. 😁
Yet it highlights and hits at the heart of the absurdity of libertarian free will theology.

Basic logic, and more importantly scripture, says we choose based upon desire.

 

[Dizerner]

I've done it.

I broke your system.

 

[Reformedguy]

I've done it.

I broke your system.

You have done what?

 

[PeanutGallery]

...
Basic logic, and more importantly scripture, says we choose based upon desire.

Your thread is based on desire; could you have chosen to not post the thread?

 

[Reformedguy]

Your thread is based on desire; could you have chosen to not post the thread?

He could have, but his greatest desire was to post it.

 

[Dizerner]

You have done what?

The only thing that makes sense in response to the OP.

 

[American Gothic]

we are supposed to love our enemies, right?

sometimes it is really hard not to
mmmm

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/S/aplus-media/vc/ebe2b4c9-692a-4490-878b-6f6b092a31df.jpg

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-713028

 

[Reformedguy]

The only thing that makes sense in response to the OP.

The OP makes sense.

 

[Dizerner]

The OP makes sense.

To be honest, he didn't describe his point very well.

 

[Simpletruther]

I've done it.

I broke your system.

Can you describe this event to me?

 

[Dizerner]

Can you describe this event to me?

For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. (Rom. 7:15 NKJ)

Let's just be honest guys.

If I don't want to believe I actually have a real choice in anything, no one in heaven or earth can convince me otherwise.

But we call that abdicating responsibility.

 

[Simpletruther]

For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. (Rom. 7:15 NKJ)

Let's just be honest guys.

If I don't want to believe I actually have a real choice in anything, no one in heaven or earth can convince me otherwise.

But we call that abdicating responsibility.

This passage doesn't help your case at all.

Paul's point wasn't that he didn't desire sin, yet did it anyway. That would contradict other plain passages.

He is simply pointing out the struggle with the flesh that desires to sin. Do you agree so far with my comment?


Also I never claimed you don't have a real choice.

 

[guest1]

I've done it.

I broke your system.

It was already broken like Humpty Dumpty

 

[Simpletruther]

This passage doesn't help your case at all.

Paul's point wasn't that he didn't desire sin, yet did it anyway. That would contradict other plain passages.

He is simply pointing out the struggle with the flesh that desires to sin. Do you agree so far with my comment?


Also I never claimed you don't have a real choice.

@Dizerner

 

[TibiasDad]

The strange thing is, as much as I like vanilla, it wasn't really turning me on. I was actually craving strawberry instead.

There were no other compelling reasons to choose vanilla, it wasn't cheaper, more healthy etc etc. Yet I chose it.


Ok that never happened, it was a parable. 😁
Yet it highlights and hits at the heart of the absurdity of libertarian free will theology.

Basic logic, and more importantly scripture, says we choose based upon desire.

So your evidence of absurdity is a fictional tale of your own creation based on a presupposition that you are trying to thereby prove? I'm shaking in my boots...


Doug

 

[ReverendRV]

So your evidence of absurdity is a fictional tale of your own creation based on a presupposition that you are trying to thereby prove? I'm shaking in my boots...


Doug

Are you alright buddy?

Are we getting on your nerves?

 

[Simpletruther]

So your evidence of absurdity is a fictional tale of your own creation based on a presupposition that you are trying to thereby prove? I'm shaking in my boots...


Doug

The evidence eis the reality presented. We choose based upon desire.

 

[TibiasDad]

The evidence eis the reality presented. We choose based upon desire.

We choose based on reason, not desire. And personal preference is not always the straw that breaks the camel's back! Any husband or parent can tell you that!


Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

The strange thing is, as much as I like vanilla, it wasn't really turning me on. I was actually craving strawberry instead.

There were no other compelling reasons to choose vanilla, it wasn't cheaper, more healthy etc etc. Yet I chose it.


Ok that never happened, it was a parable. 😁
Yet it highlights and hits at the heart of the absurdity of libertarian free will theology.

Basic logic, and more importantly scripture, says we choose based upon desire.

Maybe I went with vanilla because my wife wanted to share the ice cream cone with me and she's allergic to strawberry! My personal desire is precluded by the need of my wife.


Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

Are you alright buddy?

Are we getting on your nerves?

No, just tired of the rehashed, begging the question, concoctions presented as foolproof, final nail in the coffin, reasoning!

Doug