Incontrovertible Proof the Jesus Rose from the Grave

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Your magic is real, and other people’s isn’t, unless they are using your magic and just think it’s their’s.
You are trite...Is it "magic" when it happened but you choose denial? It's not magic. It's history...and history refutes the basis of your claims to knowledge and priority. Denial is not magic but it's all history leaves you with.
 
Islam was invented to address the absurd aspects of Christianity and Judaism.

Your God had to have his diapers changed. Weird.
No it wasn't. How the fat did you invent this claim? NO ONE has ever made a claim this absurd. The Warlord Muhammed was no scholar, and he certainly didn't spend time examining Christian claims. The neighborhood where Islam began its bloody jihad was bereft of even a vestige of the pure and primitive Christianity you see in the book of Acts.
 
you understand the Gospel’s are of anonymous authorship, right?

no?
You know nothing at all...do you? Who told you this? Attribution is debated, and always leans toward the authorship ascribed. Luke's is demonstrably authentic, and stands as one of the best historians of his age for accuracy.
 
Not a problem. Jesus had recovered from his coma and was walking around. You are assuming what you have to prove.
Your desperation is apparent and woefully ludicrous in every post. Jesus "coma" that he "recovered from" included a beating that products over six hundred wounds front and back, acknowledgement of his death that precluded the usual breaking of his legs...and a stab through the heart for good measure by a Roman lance.

Coma? Absolutely absurd claim. Keep it up, or your own fantasies and imaginary self-righteousness will have to come into question.


People saw Lazarus after he was cured.
Cured? He was dead for four days. In Jewish minds the soul quits the body after three. Lazarus wasn't "cured". He was dead. He was raised from the dead.
That doesn't make Lazarus God. People do recover from comas.
Lazarus wasn't god...just a friend of Jesus. He wasn't in a coma. He was dead.

All I am doing is criticising the "incontrovertible" in the OP. There are other explanations for what happened. The story, as we have it, has some holes. I am pointing out the holes.
The word really worries you...because the artifact is incontrovertible proof...of something you really really really want to deny with impunity.

Go ahead and deny it for as long as you can. The consequences will only come after your last chance to turn. Maybe you'll be lucky to hold onto your fantasies longer than most.

The real question is, knowing the truth, why do you cling to fantasies?
 
The word really worries you...because the artifact is incontrovertible proof
No it is not. It is controverted by the studies showing it is a Medieval fake.

The mere existence of those studies shows that the Shroud is not "incontrovertible".
 
No it wasn't. How the fat did you invent this claim? NO ONE has ever made a claim this absurd. The Warlord Muhammed was no scholar, and he certainly didn't spend time examining Christian claims. The neighborhood where Islam began its bloody jihad was bereft of even a vestige of the pure and primitive Christianity you see in the book of Acts.
Muhammed was illiterate. He used scribes.

Years ago we had an atheeist claim Jesus was illiterate.
 
You are trite...Is it "magic" when it happened but you choose denial? It's not magic. It's history...and history refutes the basis of your claims to knowledge and priority. Denial is not magic but it's all history leaves you with.
There is no magic in history. That’s not history.

Unless we assume the laws of nature are consistent, then history is worthless.

There are magical tales from all over the world. None are confirmed.
 
There is no magic in history. That’s not history.

Unless we assume the laws of nature are consistent, then history is worthless.

There are magical tales from all over the world. None are confirmed.
Do you claim to possess all knowledge??
 
There is no magic in history. That’s not history.

Unless we assume the laws of nature are consistent, then history is worthless.

There are magical tales from all over the world. None are confirmed.

What do you mean by “magic”?

Definition of history: “the branch of knowledge dealing with past events.”

If there have been “magical” events in the past then magic is part of history.

So back to the first question: what do you mean by “magic”?
 
What do you mean by “magic”?

Definition of history: “the branch of knowledge dealing with past events.”

If there have been “magical” events in the past then magic is part of history.

So back to the first question: what do you mean by “magic”?
You know what magic is.

You should know that there is no magic in history.
 
mag·ic
/ˈmajik/

noun
  1. the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.

Mysterious forces? As in…. Something that can happen but which you don’t understand?

Like if you took a freshman chemistry set to the Middle Ages you’d be accused of witchcraft, of using “magic”. Not because it didn’t happen, but because the people didn’t understand it.

And how do you know so-called “magic” hasn’t happened in history?
 
"I saw a red car being driven by a Caucasian man."
"I saw a dark red Mercedes C-Class."

Various accounts.

"I saw a red car being driven by a Caucasian man."
"I saw a black car being driven by an Asian woman."

Contradictory accounts.

The latter is what we get from the Bible.
False claim...The latter would give you an excuse for unbelief. You have none.
 
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