Is the Spirit owned by all three members of the Trinity?

johnny guitar said:
The Spirit IS A Person.
Click to expand...
The Holy Spirit has a person which is the person of the Father and the Son. The Spirit is rendered in the neuter in the Greek and the word soul which s the person of anyone is never associated with the Holy Spirit only the Father and the Son.
 
Jewjitzu said:
If you're begotten you can't be God. ;) Isa 43:10.
Click to expand...
Jesus' soul/person was begotten and is not God. His Spirit, that which gave Him life as a man is the Holy Spirit which is God's Spirit and makes Jesus "God" because God was in Him through His Spirit.
 
Biblican said:
Jesus' soul/person was begotten and is not God. His Spirit, that which gave Him life as a man is the Holy Spirit which is God's Spirit and makes Jesus "God" because God was in Him through His Spirit.
Click to expand...
So, you contradict yourself. Jesus isn't God, then he is.

Regardless, he says he isn't, John 20:17.
 
Biblican said:
The Holy Spirit has a person which is the person of the Father and the Son. The Spirit is rendered in the neuter in the Greek and the word soul which s the person of anyone is never associated with the Holy Spirit only the Father and the Son.
Click to expand...
Incomprehensible. The Holy Spirit is a Person; HE does NOT have a Person.
And neither The Father nor The Son have a soul.
 
Biblican said:
I spent two years studying how the words soul and spirit are used in relation to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit in the original languages. God is one spirit, which is His substance, what He is. He has a person/soul which is His being, who He is. God is One Spirit as Jesus said and one person. His Spirit is the Holy Spirit. If we have more than one Spirit in relation to God we have more than one God an that is polytheism. That's why it is okay for Christians to say "God is one" as Paul did in Galatians 3:20. We should do that more often and maybe the Jews and Muslims will stop calling us polytheists and we can save some of them.
Click to expand...
God is One Spirit, which nobody ever said He wasn't, and according to Scriptures alone is communicated or distributed in One Individual or Subsisting Reality of The Father, another of The Son , and another of The Holy Spirit. Now tell me how did one word you typed Negate this Biblical Truth??????? There is no need to make accuses for the distinctions which is manifestly expressed by way of Hypostasis.

....... Alan
 
Biblican said:
The scriptures show us that there are three, God, His Holy Spirit and Jesus. All three are distinct from each other and can operate individually, but the point is they are all the same Holy Spirit. The minute we see Them as three individual spirits we have jumped the fence into polytheism. God is one Spirit (John 4:24), the Holy Spirit is His Spirit (Matthew 20:20) and Jesus is the Son of God, God's image or physical representative (theophany) and the Messiah, our Redeemer. God's Holy person/being remains in heaven and He operates through His Spirit in His Son. The Holy Spirit unifies the persons of the Father and the Son. We see this union taking place in Isaiah 42:1. Even though we see them as three individuals at Jesus' baptism, it does not negate the fact that they are one Spirit, because God's Spirit is omnipresent and can be in more than one place at a time. He is in Jesus in the water, (the Life in Himself John 5:26) descending to Jesus the Man and in heaven at the same time.
Click to expand...

Where does the genuine humanity of Christ figure into your distinctions?
 
aeg4971 said:
God is One Spirit, which nobody ever said He wasn't, and according to Scriptures alone is communicated or distributed in One Individual or Subsisting Reality of The Father, another of The Son , and another of The Holy Spirit. Now tell me how did one word you typed Negate this Biblical Truth??????? There is no need to make accuses for the distinctions which is manifestly expressed by way of Hypostasis.

....... Alan
Click to expand...
According to the way the words soul and spirit are used in the original languages, the Father has a soul/person and Jesus has a soul/person, but the Holy Spirit is rendered in the neuter and the word soul is never associated with the Holy Spirit. It 's not a Biblical truth unless it can be supported by the Bible. The Father is unified with His Son by the Holy Spirit as in Isaiah 42:1. All three are distinct from each other as God has designed the soul to be distinct from the spirit, and they are unified as to be one. Apparently when man was trying to figure out how it all works they ignored how the words soul and spirit are used in relation to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, so they invented the word Hypostasis to explain something they never really understood in the first place.
 
johnny guitar said:
Incomprehensible. The Holy Spirit is a Person; HE does NOT have a Person.
And neither The Father nor The Son have a soul.
Click to expand...
You have just proved you have never really studied the scriptures on the subject for yourself or bothered to read the references I gave you. The soul is the person of anyone and according to the scriptures God and Jesus both have them, or they could not be persons. Jesus' soul/person is the offering for our sins. The word soul is associated with the Father and Son in the original languages but never the Holy Spirit. Because God has designed the soul to operate with the Spirit, the person of the Holy Spirit is the person of the Father and Son and they enter the believer though their mutual Holy Spirit John 14:23. That's why the Holy Spirit has a person, but does not have a person apart from the Father and the Son. Do your own research and stop parroting definitions that are not based on scripture.
 
Biblican said:
You have just proved you have never really studied the scriptures on the subject for yourself or bothered to read the references I gave you. The soul is the person of anyone and according to the scriptures God and Jesus both have them, or they could not be persons. Jesus' soul/person is the offering for our sins. The word soul is associated with the Father and Son in the original languages but never the Holy Spirit. Because God has designed the soul to operate with the Spirit, the person of the Holy Spirit is the person of the Father and Son and they enter the believer though their mutual Holy Spirit John 14:23. That's why the Holy Spirit has a person, but does not have a person apart from the Father and the Son. Do your own research and stop parroting definitions that are not based on scripture.
Click to expand...
Jesus The MAN certainly has a spirit/soul.
God does NOT. The Holy Spirit is distinct from Father and Son.
 
johnny guitar said:
Jesus The MAN certainly has a spirit/soul.
God does NOT. The Holy Spirit is distinct from Father and Son.
Click to expand...
God says He has a soul Isaiah 42:1. He could not have a person without one because the soul is the person of anyone. Of course His soul is much more glorious and holy than ours, but it is still His person/being who He is. Jesus preexisted and the soul person He was then had to be the same soul that God placed in Mary's body. Jesus was not two persons. The Holy Spirit is distinct from the persons of the Father and the Son. That is correct.
 
Jewjitzu said:
So, you contradict yourself. Jesus isn't God, then he is.

Regardless, he says he isn't, John 20:17.
Click to expand...
Jesus is not God the Father. Jesus' spirit is the Father's Holy Spirit which makes them one, but Jesus' begotten soul/person is always subordinate. He was with God, because His soul is begotten and they are two, He is God because the Father is in Him though His Holy Spirit, If you get into the study of how the scriptures use the words soul and spirit in the original languages you can get a better understanding of how it all works.
 
Biblican said:
Jesus is not God the Father. Jesus' spirit is the Father's Holy Spirit which makes them one, but Jesus' begotten soul/person is always subordinate.
Click to expand...
Sorry, but you keep repeating the same garbage thinking it will change something. It doesn't.

Jesus is created and he can never be the same as the Father.

Biblican said:
He was with God, because His soul is begotten and they are two, He is God because the Father is in Him though His Holy Spirit, If you get into the study of how the scriptures use the words soul and spirit in the original languages you can get a better understanding of how it all works.
Click to expand...
False. Begotten proves he isn't God. I understand how the Hebrew uses these terms.
 
Jewjitzu said:
Sorry, but you keep repeating the same garbage thinking it will change something. It doesn't.

Jesus is created and he can never be the same as the Father.


False. Begotten proves he isn't God. I understand how the Hebrew uses these terms.
Click to expand...
Jesus is begotten, not created. Anyone who is birthed or begotten must come from a pre-existing substance. Jesus' soul was begotten from the Father's spirit. Jesus' Spirit is the Father's Spirit and is the same. His soul is begotten in the image of the Father a representative of His holiness. That is why Jesus said, "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."
 
Biblican said:
Jesus is begotten, not created.
Click to expand...
That's created. Anything born is created, didn't exist before.

Biblican said:
Anyone who is birthed or begotten must come from a pre-existing substance.
Click to expand...
Substance which was all created.

Biblican said:
Jesus' soul was begotten from the Father's spirit.
Click to expand...
So his soul didn't exist from eternity or it wouldn't be begotten. You're making ridiculous arguments.

Biblican said:
Jesus' Spirit is the Father's Spirit and is the same. His soul is begotten in the image of the Father a representative of His holiness. That is why Jesus said, "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."
Click to expand...
Nope. The Father isn't begotten in any matter or manner. Jesus is.
 
Jewjitzu said:
That's created. Anything born is created, didn't exist before.


Which was all created.


So his soul didn't exist from eternity or it wouldn't be begotten. You're making ridiculous arguments.


Nope. The Father isn't begotten in any matter or manner. Jesus is.
Click to expand...
Nope, you don't understand the difference between the words begotten and created. Anything that is created by God is from nothing. He made the angels from nothing. Jesus is the firstborn because He emerged from God's substance, birthed, that is why the word begotten is used to define Jesus. Jesus' soul did not exist from eternity, it had a beginning at some point in infinity. That is the orthodox doctrine of the early church which has been eroded.
I never said the Father is begotten, just Jesus' soul. Jesus is God's image or representative. If you can believe that angels can represent God to man, why can't you see that Jesus does the same thing?
 
Biblican said:
Nope, you don't understand the difference between the words begotten and created.
Click to expand...
Anything begotten comes from the created, into creation, and didnt previously exist.

Biblican said:
Anything that is created by God is from nothing. He made the angels from nothing. Jesus is the firstborn because He emerged from God's substance, birthed, that is why the word begotten is used to define Jesus.
Click to expand...
Psalm 2:7, which Christians use to point to Jesus, shows he didn't exist from eternity. Today, isn't from eternity.

Biblican said:
Jesus' soul did not exist from eternity, it had a beginning at some point in infinity.
Click to expand...
Rotfl... if it had a beginning then it isn't from eternity.

Biblican said:
That is the orthodox doctrine of the early church which has been eroded.
I never said the Father is begotten, just Jesus' soul.
Click to expand...
Then Jesus is created and isn't God in any sense.

Biblican said:
Jesus is God's image or representative. If you can believe that angels can represent God to man, why can't you see that Jesus does the same thing?
Click to expand...
I'm saying we don't need Jesus. Anyway, your posts and points are useless.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top