You haven’t refuted it in the slightest.
James 2:24
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And how would you know this?
What has this got to do with anything?
Beloved Daughter
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From CARM:
What are some signs and practices of a cult?
Not all cults will have every single quality on this list, but this is a good general guide to what typically makes a group a cult.
carm.org
An excerpt:
- Submission:
- Complete, almost unquestioned trust in the leadership.
- Leaders are often seen as prophets, apostles, or special individuals with unusual connections to God. This helps a person give themselves over psychologically to trusting someone else for their spiritual welfare.
- Increased submission to the leadership is rewarded with additional responsibilities and/or roles, and/or praises, increasing the importance of the person within the group.
- Exclusivity
- Their group is the only true religious system, or one of the few true remnants of God’s people.
- Persecution complex
- Us against them mentality. Therefore, when someone (inside or outside of the group) corrects the group in doctrine and/or behavior, it is interpreted as persecution, which then is interpreted as validation.
- Control
- Control of members’ actions and thinking through repeated indoctrination and/or threats of loss of salvation, or a place to live, or receiving curses from God, etc.
- Isolation
- Minimizing contact of church members with those outside the group. This facilitates a further control over the thinking and practices of the members by the leadership.
- Love Bombing
- Showing great attention and love to a person in the group by others in the group, to help transfer emotional dependence to the group.
- Special Knowledge
- Instructions and/or knowledge are sometimes said to be received by a leader(s) from God. This leader then informs the members.
- The Special Knowledge can be received through visions, dreams, or new interpretations of sacred scriptures such as the Bible.
- Indoctrination
- The teachings of the group are repeatedly drilled into the members, but the indoctrination usually occurs around Special Knowledge.
- Salvation
- Salvation from the judgment of God is maintained through association and/or submission with the group, its authority, and/or its Special Knowledge.
- Group Think
- The group’s coherence is maintained by the observance to policies handed down from those in authority.
- There is an internal enforcement of policies by members who reward “proper” behavior, and those who perform properly are rewarded with further inclusion and acceptance by the group.
- Cognitive Dissonance
- Avoidance of critical thinking and/or maintaining logically impossible beliefs and/or beliefs that are inconsistent with other beliefs held by the group.
- Avoidance of and/or denial of any facts that might contradict the group’s belief system.
- Shunning
- Those who do not keep in step with group policies are shunned and/or expelled.
- Gender Roles
- Control of gender roles and definitions.
- Severe control of gender roles sometimes leads to sexual exploitation.
- Appearance Standards
- Often a common appearance is required and maintained. For instance, women might wear prairie dresses, and/or their hair in buns, and/or no makeup, and/or the men might all wear white short-sleeved shirts, and/or without beards, or all wear beards.
From CARM:
What are some signs and practices of a cult?
Not all cults will have every single quality on this list, but this is a good general guide to what typically makes a group a cult.
An excerpt:
- Submission:
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Beloved Daughter
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He absolutely did. You just don't like it.
dberrie2020
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Beloved--could you explain how this "refutes" anything I have postulated?
Theo said---"Remembering that James was just writing about keeping the law, he asks the (rhetorical) question of what if someone CLAIMS to have faith, but doesn't have works? Notice that this is not saying the man actually HAS faith, but only that he CLAIMS to have faith. This is not an instance of "having faith but not works", since it hasn't been demonstrated that he actually DOES have true faith. But James will address that shortly. Then he asks, "can THAT faith (the merely claimed faith, which has no works) save him?" And of course, the answer is "no". If someone only CLAIMS to have faith, but doesn't ACTUALLY have faith, he isn't saved, because he doesn't have faith.
That claim backs NT theology and LDS theology.
From CARM:
What are some signs and practices of a cult?
Not all cults will have every single quality on this list, but this is a good general guide to what typically makes a group a cult.
An excerpt:
- Submission:
- Exclusivity
- Persecution complex
- Control
- Isolation
- Love Bombing
- Special Knowledge
- Indoctrination
- Salvation
- Group Think
- Cognitive Dissonance
- Shunning
- Gender Roles
- Appearance Standards
A false analogy is a type of informal fallacy. It states that since Item A and Item B both have Quality X in common, they must also have Quality Y in common. False Analogy Examples
Beloved Daughter
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I'm going with Matt Slick and my Pastors. All three deal with Mormons all the time.
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Beloved Daughter
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You are wrong. But we know that you will never respond to our answers. You seem to enjoy posting the same scriptures over and over and never make a point. Essentially, there is no honest debate, it's you repeating yourself a zillion times. You'll never be able to challenge us. You belong to a cult. I'm going to continue to archive your posts.
You still made an informal fallacy.
Beloved Daughter
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No it's not. It's you defending what cannot be defended.
Where you been? You seem like a poster who just can't stop and then, poof . . . you're gone.
Beloved Daughter
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More from Matt Slick on the cult of Mormonism.
carm.org
Is Mormonism a cult?
Mormonism is a non-Christian cult because it denies essential biblical theology regarding God, the Trinity, and the person and work of Christ.
carm.org
dberrie2020
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dberrie said---Beloved--could you explain how this "refutes" anything I have postulated?
Theo said---"Remembering that James was just writing about keeping the law, he asks the (rhetorical) question of what if someone CLAIMS to have faith, but doesn't have works? Notice that this is not saying the man actually HAS faith, but only that he CLAIMS to have faith. This is not an instance of "having faith but not works", since it hasn't been demonstrated that he actually DOES have true faith. But James will address that shortly. Then he asks, "can THAT faith (the merely claimed faith, which has no works) save him?" And of course, the answer is "no". If someone only CLAIMS to have faith, but doesn't ACTUALLY have faith, he isn't saved, because he doesn't have faith.
That claim backs NT theology and LDS theology.
How so? Please explain.
Beloved--my post above was a response to a retort.
Theo said---"Remembering that James was just writing about keeping the law, he asks the (rhetorical) question of what if someone CLAIMS to have faith, but doesn't have works? Notice that this is not saying the man actually HAS faith, but only that he CLAIMS to have faith. This is not an instance of "having faith but not works", since it hasn't been demonstrated that he actually DOES have true faith. But James will address that shortly. Then he asks, "can THAT faith (the merely claimed faith, which has no works) save him?" And of course, the answer is "no". If someone only CLAIMS to have faith, but doesn't ACTUALLY have faith, he isn't saved, because he doesn't have faith.
That claim backs NT theology and LDS theology.
How so? Please explain.
Beloved--my post above was a response to a retort.
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