John 5:19 - Is Jesus limited to what the Father does?

Biblican said:
The point is you can't get into heaven without Jesus as your middleman so to speak. He is Joshua leading us into the promised land of eternallife. Isn't it intersting that God changed Joshua's name. The name Jesus is a derivative.
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You just keep telling yourself that.
 
SPOKENWORD said:
So its through the 10 commandments that you will enter into paradise. Have you kept all 10 commandments?
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There's more than 10. Some apply to women, men, priests, kings, masters, servants, parents, children, etc

All of the laws don't apply to me, as you can see.

I try my best.
 
SPOKENWORD said:
The truth is there are only two major commandments. Love you God with all your heart and love your neighbor as you would love yourself. You do this and you fulfill all of the laws.
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The rabbis teach that those two commandments function like topic headings, and that all the rest of the laws are grouped under one of them or the other. This is Jewish understanding. When Jesus referenced the two most important commandments, he was simply repeating common Judaism teaching.
 
Open Heart said:
The rabbis teach that those two commandments function like topic headings, and that all the rest of the laws are grouped under one of them or the other. This is Jewish understanding. When Jesus referenced the two most important commandments, he was simply repeating common Judaism teaching.
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Yep, and if you love God or your neighbor, you'd fulfill the other commandments when they apply, ie, return a lost item, feed the poor, care for animals, keep the Sabbath, etc.
 
Jewjitzu said:
That's false. There's zero support for your assertions in Tanakh, and that's all that matters.


Isn't it interesting that their name means that YH is salvation, not that they personally are salvation.
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According to God's plan of redemption that He instigated in Genesis, you can't get into heaven unless your sins have been removed by the Messiah. Jesus removes our sins so we can receive the Holy Spirit which is the Spirit of eternal life. You can't have eternal life without the Spirit and the only way you can get it is by accepting God's plan of redemption in Jesus. That's what the Bible is all about.
The breath that gave life to Adam was not designed to transport the soul into heaven after the body dies because humans were designed to live in the earth realm not heaven. In order to get those souls into heaven an additional source of life was needed. That is the Holy Spirit. When the Spirit is unified with the soul then the soul can ascend. God put His Spirit into the blood of Jesus to release to us. "The life is in the blood." All the previous typology points to this. No one can live in an environment they were not designed to inhabit. An astronaut needs a space suit and oxygen to survive in outer space. We need God's righteousness, the space suit (wedding garment in Jesus' parable) and the oxygen, the Holy Sprit that allows us to live in heaven's holy atmosphere. It's a spiritually scientific principle that can't be negated.
 
Open Heart said:
They apply to all Jews, but not always non-Jews. For example, not murdering is a universal law, but keeping the sabbath is only for Israel so that we will remember the Exodus.
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The Sabbath was designed to be a foreshadow of the rest we receive in Christ. We rest in Him for our salvation and we are not justified by our own efforts. If we don't accept that and insist on violating God's Sabbath by gathering sticks and keep working for our justification, and reject what He has established for our salvation, then we will die
 
Biblican said:
The Sabbath was designed to be a foreshadow of the rest we receive in Christ. We rest in Him for our salvation and we are not justified by our own efforts. If we don't accept that and insist on violating God's Sabbath by gathering sticks and keep working for our justification, and reject what He has established for our salvation, then we will die
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ROFL

The purpose of keeping teh sabbath is to remember the Exodus from Egypt.

Deuteronomy 5
12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
 
Open Heart said:
ROFL

The purpose of keeping teh sabbath is to remember the Exodus from Egypt.

Deuteronomy 5
12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
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Slaves have to work all the time. God is giving a day of rest as a foreshadow that we do not have to work for our salvation it is a gift. Many of the things God commanded His people have parallels in the New Covenant. God rested on the seventh day of creation and established that foreshadow of our rest in Jesus long before the Jews were slaves in Egypt, because Jesus' atonement was established before creation, "Slain before the foundation of the world." (Rev. 13:8)
 
Biblican said:
According to God's plan of redemption that He instigated in Genesis, you can't get into heaven unless your sins have been removed by the Messiah.
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Sorry, but that's false. God removes and forgives sins. We don't pray to man for that.

Biblican said:
Jesus removes our sins so we can receive the Holy Spirit which is the Spirit of eternal life. You can't have eternal life without the Spirit and the only way you can get it is by accepting God's plan of redemption in Jesus. That's what the Bible is all about.
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The commandments are the tree of life which lead to eternal life. That's been the case from the beginning.

Biblican said:
The breath that gave life to Adam was not designed to transport the soul into heaven after the body dies because humans were designed to live in the earth realm not heaven. In order to get those souls into heaven an additional source of life was needed. That is the Holy Spirit.
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Ruach Hakodesh is merely the spirit of holiness exhibited and evident when we keep the commandments.

Biblican said:
When the Spirit is unified with the soul then the soul can ascend. God put His Spirit into the blood of Jesus to release to us.
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Sorry, but this a joke.

Biblican said:
"The life is in the blood." All the previous typology points to this.
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Basic physiology. Drain a body of its blood and it dies.

Biblican said:
No one can live in an environment they were not designed to inhabit. An astronaut needs a space suit and oxygen to survive in outer space. We need God's righteousness, the space suit (wedding garment in Jesus' parable) and the oxygen, the Holy Sprit that allows us to live in heaven's holy atmosphere. It's a spiritually scientific principle that can't be negated.
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You can't negate the commandments lead to life. Even Jesus said so.
 
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