Authentic Nouveau
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That is who voted for her in the primaries. Not Republicans.
Mike Pence opens up
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inertia
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Why would I want to do that?
They represent an anti-life segment of the population that I do not agree with, they historically vote on ever higher taxation for everyone, the belief in extra-large Federal Government control is good for the population is unsettling, and there is an unapologetic socialist component that shouldn't be considered as a viable model in U.S. politics in my opinion.
I do not support homosexual marriage, but Democrats tend to favor it more than other political U.S. affiliations. ----> statistics
"Enemy" isn't a correct characterization, unless the DOJ successfully convicts Trump of giving secrets to our enemies as Snowden infamously did. Regardless, I don't believe he is the right man for the job partially because he embraces conspiracy beliefs without investigating the issues at hand, partly because he stretches the limits of executive privilege, partially because I believe there are better ways to control the border than building a simple wall ( Ironically, Biden is continuing to build the wall now. ), partially because of what the Mueller investigation revealed in recent history, and partially because he affiliates himself with the anti-science politics of climate physics.
I don't trust Putin - he does.
More than a few
- Republicans that tend to be Pro-Israel continued to raise funds for Cheney and were not swayed
Conservative support while in office:
- Adam Kinzinger
- Anthony Gonzalez
- Fred Upton
- John Katko
- Peter Meijer
- Jaime Herrera Beutler
- Tom Rice
- Dan Newhouse
- David Valadao
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Furion
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They really don't like Trump. You'll have friends there.?
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Here I have you claiming Trump is a conspiracy theorist, when you don't know jack about squat except what is spoon fed to you from the MSM. Hardly persuasive.
I don't really care about Trump, but I'm pretty sure he has a much better view of what goes on verses you. An unreliable source telling me someone else is unreliable is not persuasive at all.
But hey, everyone chooses what they want.
Well ya got ten then. Just a few.
And really, Lizzy and Kinzi are gone, maybe some others I don't know. Ya, definitely just a few.
I'm just not worried over Trump. If he is there under my pen, he'll get my vote. If it's some other conservative-like person, they'll get my vote.
I've had to hold my nose to vote for old man bushie, and then Dole. Even worse bush Jr. And the worst of all, that McCain fella.
Reagan was the last one who I was pleased to give my vote.
Harry Leggs
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You hope lies will win over truth. With your craker jack mind maybe you can answer this question without punking out
mikeT
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Iktomi
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Not agreeable to Pence's politics, but he is honest and principled. He did the right thing that day....
mikeT
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He did the right thing, yes, but his politics overrode his principles (and honesty) for several years prior to Jan 6, 2020.
I wouldn't call him either of those things. Possibly a hero, but not honest/principled.
inertia
Super Member
Hello Iktomi. I don't believe we have crossed paths before.
Doing the right thing is the kind of thing that God wants from all of us.
Pence stood in a test of fire even when the insurrectionists outside were chanting about hanging him. That kind of behavior is presidential material.
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inertia
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Answering the question - "So why the hell didn't they prevent Jan 6th?" [ Here the term "they" means the informants. ]
That is a great question. From the Department of Justice guidelines on FBI undercover operations:
Being undercover sometimes involves a situation that falls in the "sensitive circumstances" category according to the government guidelines. Obviously their "participation in the activities of a group under investigation as part of a Domestic Security Investigation" applies along with the "significant risk of violence or physical injury to individuals or a significant risk of financial loss" category. Both of these categories adequately characterized the circumstances of any undercover agents involved.
- So by definition, any undercover agents involved in the insurrection violence were under the sensitive circumstances category of the DOJ guidelines.
According to section H: "Participation in otherwise illegal activity"
(d) " If consultation is impossible, and the undercover employee concludes that there is an immediate and grave threat to life, physical safety, or property, the undercover employee may participate in the otherwise illegal activity, so long as he does not take part in and makes every effort to prevent any act of violence."
- So, if consultation is impossible, and as long as an undercover agent does not take part in, and makes every effort to prevent any act of violence, he/she may participate in illegal activity.
In the case of the Proud Boys FBI informant, consultation was available and he even texted his handler as the attack took place. In the case of the Oath Keepers, a recording of a meeting with Stewart Rhodes by one of its own members was given to the FBI in November 2020 with an apprehension that the Oath Keepers were “going to war with the United States government". Here the FBI did not contact this member until he was interviewed in March 2021.
In addition, the "FBI received at least 20 independent pieces of intelligence between November 9 and January 6, from sources including sister agencies, social media platforms, and public officials". According to the link sited above, "“a sizeable percentage of the employee population…felt sympathetic to the group that stormed the Capitol.”
This is why the hell the FBI didn't prevent the insurrection on January 6th.
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Harry Leggs
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Flaming leftists usually are not.
Pence did the expedient thing which is different from the right thing. Anyone who believes the 2020 elections were all on the up and up with Biden winning 81+ million votes in the dead of night while nobody was watching in Dem-controlled districts is either dumb or ignorant to the point of criminal. The elections was the nexus for Jan. 6. Hardly anyone outside the Dem cultists believes Biden won fair and square and that includes the world. Biden is senile and corrupt and has been for years. Now he has us on the brink of a kenitic war with Russia. Funneling huge amounts of cash to Ukraine and getting kickbacks to Dem politicians and allies.
Again Trump did Pence a solid by choosing him as his running partner, boosting his political career, and in return Pence stabs Trump in the back by publicly turning on him and fools have the audacity to depict Pence as honorable and principled. Principled relative to what? A married whore who only cheats once in a while and then blames the husband?
Authentic Nouveau
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That is not an accusation. Your accusation is false. It is an accurate observation. You devote almost all of your disagreements against Trump and Christian conservatives.
By the way, the people that hit the likes button on your posts are also far left. Far left. We can see the frequency of your hitting the "likes button" on their comments.
You can't fool anybody.
You have no professional training in studying human behavior.
Authentic Nouveau
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Well. President Trump was rather blunt with calling out Dick Cheney and his errors. Liz seeks revenge.
Harry Leggs
Super Member
So if it was all so terrible why did they stop it all before it got started? They knew in advance. They were embedded in the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. One FBI was a VP? You did not answer the question. Not really and reasonable people can disagree. My take on it all is you are now in the same category as Gestapo apologist.
inertia
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I'm choosing to believe that you did not read my response in its entirety for whatever reason.
Here was my answer:
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... In the case of the Oath Keepers, a recording of a meeting with Stewart Rhodes by one of its own members was given to the FBI in November 2020 with an apprehension that the Oath Keepers were “going to war with the United States government". Here the FBI did not contact this member until he was interviewed in March 2021.
In addition, the "FBI received at least 20 independent pieces of intelligence between November 9 and January 6, from sources including sister agencies, social media platforms, and public officials". According to the link sited above, "“a sizeable percentage of the employee population…felt sympathetic to the group that stormed the Capitol.”
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So, the reason was because a sizeable percentage of FBI agents favored the insurrection and Trump's false assertion that he won the election.
Many agents didn't want to stop it.
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Authentic Nouveau
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Thanks for your irrational self refutation.
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"conspiracy theory" is very popular by you ultra leftists and is applied like an N-word insult toward Conservatives. In fact one leftist hit the like button on your screed.
Wyoming is a red state/conservatives.
Obviously anyone with half a brain can see she didn't get any Conservative votes. In fact she asked her leftist friends to vote for her and that explains why she was clobbered with a 32 point margin of loss instead of 90%.
Leftists like your self use the "conspiracy theory" reference when you have no tangible argument.
Conspiracy theorist is Left winger lingo popular with vibe, @Backup, @inertia etc.
Thanks for applying your left winger marker.
Hunter Biden laptop was placed into the "conspiracy theory" category by Biden and his left winger surrogates.
Authentic Nouveau
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Gestapo apologist is accurate.
Authentic Nouveau
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Stealth Dems
President Trump is a threat to be feared and must be prevented by the left.
Lizzy is like Romney and McCain. Trying to sabotage the right.
Authentic Nouveau
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Donkey pox.
Harry Leggs
Super Member
I read it and you did not answer.
Going to war? Did they have guns? Sounds like hot air. If they were going to war then why did the FBI not stop them prior to J.6? Weren't lives in danger? Including congress? What about the pipebomb?
What member and March is a long way from J.6, 21.
So? That does not explain Ray Epps or the others who attempted to facilitate the breakin by pushing them into the open door. Opened from the inside, another fact you ignore. This is too disgusting
The many agents excludes the two anonymous masked agents.
These are two men that are pulling windows out of the Capitol and pushing people inside the doors,” Powell told The Epoch Times. “OK, so why isn’t the FBI interested? That is the key question.”
EXCLUSIVE: Videos Show Unindicted 'Suspicious Actors' Attacking Capitol on Jan. 6
www.theepochtimes.com
If the agents were pushing people inside the doors then isn't that going a little to far like criminal activity? This is all going nowhere fast. The only thing they have going for them is friendly judges and DC courts who will no doubt find them guilty
Authentic Nouveau
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Long TDS symptoms.