What is it with you heretics? Praying for someone does not mean praying to someone.What is it with you fundamentalists? If I ask you to pray for me, I am not praying to you am I?
What is it with you heretics? Praying for someone does not mean praying to someone.What is it with you fundamentalists? If I ask you to pray for me, I am not praying to you am I?
Seems like RCs pray to anyone or anything BUT God!Or do Catholics pray to angels to take their prayers to God?
Like this:
Rev 8:3
Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne.
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So? That imagery was still based on the OT.It says that the incense was offered up along with the prayers.
If the prayers go directly to God, then how does the angel end up them?
You did not answer my question: do Catholics pray to angels?If the prayers go directly to God, then how does the angel end up them?
Yes, and you should too.You did not answer my question: do Catholics pray to angels?
Already addressed in the link I provided. Try reading it.If the prayers go directly to God, then how does the angel end up them?
Whats your point? Its the angel not the saints in heaven that are bringing our earthly prayers into the throne room. Our prayers rise up as a sweet incense into heaven. Its the Angels job to collect them and present them to the Lord. The saints in heaven have no idea what those prayers are.Like this:
Rev 8:3
Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne.
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Wrong. Its idolatry. Anyone who talks with their guardian angel is really speaking to a demonic entity. Angels harken only to the voice of God and his Word.Yes, and you should too.
Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.
What better prayer partner than the one God gave you - your guardian angel.
Yes. There are several prayers for children to pray to their guardian angel.So? That imagery was still based on the OT.
Now, do Roman Catholics pray to angels? Yes or no?
I find Jesus' prayers on the night He was betrayed - He knew what was going to happen - quite telling:There are more verses on prayer BUT nowhere do any of them say to pray to a person who is dead.
You cite a verse that refutes your own argument.The saints in heaven would have to be omnipresent in order to hear our prayers to them. We know only God is omnipresent. Its the Angels job in heaven is to present those vails and bring them into the throne room. Jesus then answers those prayers. The saints in heaven have no idea what those prayers are.
Revelation 8:3-4
And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel.
Are not what? Alive on earth? So? What matters is that they are still united to the Body of Christ. The basis of their ability to pray for us is not their LOCATION, but their unity with the Body of Christ.What is with you Catholics?? You are alive upon the earth as we are. The dead in Christ are not.
Why? Location? That is your argument? The dead in Christ cannot hear our prayers--because they are in heaven, not earth? What kind of argument is that? What does location have to do with anything?We KNOW those alive upon the earth can hear/ read our requests to pray FOR them, which is Biblical. Praying to the dead in Christ is not.
Well, Bonnie, Jesus is the way to the Father. Jesus appeases the Father's wrath. Jesus the mediator between God and man.I have seen plenty of Marian prayers that were far from being intercessor prayers--they were prayers for help and salvation, to appease her Son's wrath, etc.
I'm really sorry that you think this. ?What better prayer partner than the one God gave you - your guardian angel.
Despite the fact that sentence occurs nowhere in the bible you'd rather swap God for an angel? If theres no better prayer partner than your angel and you two are so tight, whats his name? And if prayer is a two way street, what prayers does your angel answer?Yes, and you should too.
Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.
What better prayer partner than the one God gave you - your guardian angel.
The problem is that rc's let someone else do the thinking for them. If I had a choice, I would overthink something than let someone else do it for me.Only Protestant fundamentalists would create problems where there are none.
If they would stop overthinking things...
Not everything in the Christian Faith has to be complicated.
I see.The problem is that rc's let someone else do the thinking for them. If I had a choice, I would overthink something than let someone else do it for me.
Since you twist the words of the Scriptures to say what you want them to mean, it comes as surprise to me that you will twist my words to make them mean what you want.I see.
So you would rather overthink something, coming to the wrong conclusion as a result, then accept the teaching authority of the Church.