Open Heart
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A 16 year old married woman is an "almah."Jewish young maiden...If she wasn't a virgin, she was stoned dead.
A 16 year old married woman is an "almah."Jewish young maiden...If she wasn't a virgin, she was stoned dead.
Sounds like your focused primarily on three words being repeated over and over again.It does...but I had to put spaces in it to keep it in the body. The "paste media" link doesn't function, and leaves half a page blank. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for trying: Try again, if you want to: https: //youtu.be/ sv2yDNKNWjQ
I put a space after https: before the two forward slashes, and a space after be/ before the sv, etc. You have to copy this, and paste it, then back space those two spaces and it works fine. I just did it again and it's fun to hear!
Check the LXX...the seventy knew what the Hebrew said. Parthenos is pretty clear.A 16 year old married woman is an "almah."
No, almah is just a young maiden. Joseph did want to divorce Mary according to the accounts.Jewish young maiden...If she wasn't a virgin, she was stoned dead. You're twisting the language for the sake of your argument, and the LXX bears this out.
Jesus wasn't when he was born.Messiah has been called Emmanuel from the day Isaiah made the prophecy.
Deut 22Not yet. Just betrothed. You're arguing from a vacuum of your own creation.
Not at the moment, but she did shortly"She had. not known a man." It's easy to ignore what you do not want to believe...but Gabriel knew, and said what he said because he knew.
But your spiritual reality is physical. So, what is the difference?Actually I believe what Elohim said, and I believe in a spiritual reality. You cannot see this, as Isaiah points out.
No, your gods are they. Why don't you explain how they got their bodies?Of course. And I see that you cannot see, as it is written. Your god is limited to the limits you set. At least you have admitted that Elohim is a "they"...and echad.
It proves you rely on someone's righteousness who depends on others for his righteousness. Contradictions...No...It only proves that an omniscient God knew whom to chose to bring the Word into this World to demonstrate His love for you.
Did it sound pretty much like gibberish? Like I was making it up? I posted it on the Pentecostal board a few years back so those who felt qualified to judge languages they had never heard could judge. They did. Foolishly.Sounds like your focused primarily on three words being repeated over and over again.
Sounds nonsensical. Do you know what language you are speaking, what you are saying?
Yep, it was gibberish.Did it sound pretty much like gibberish? Like I was making it up? I posted it on the Pentecostal board a few years back so those who felt qualified to judge languages they had never heard could judge. They did. Foolishly.
So, you know these languages already so what's so special about that? The spirit didn't spontaneously give you these words.I appreciate your caution. I'm saying "Thank you God!" in three languages that I'm able to speak, however rudimentarily. In French I'm saying, "Merci Seigneur" three times...then (I forget the order)...I think it's Swedish, my wife's native language, "Tack, gode Gud" and finally Arabic...which I studied while living in Nazareth, so the accent is levant..."shukran rrab".
True. But my point is you've practiced this and it is not a gift of the spiritThe point is one a true linguist will readily admit: Hearing someone's language for the very first time doesn't give an American license to judge...
Sorry, but this was not a gift of the spirit.French is the language I teach others, and that opens doors for me in France as a perceived "native speaker". I'm qualified to interpret and have often simultaneously going both ways. I also translate. I'm not as qualified in the. other languages...but ironically, the critics on the Pentecostal page told me that my French didn't sound French. They corrected me, because they'd had a couple years in high school.
Everyone thinks of themselves as an expert, until they are. True in language...and theology.
Only the torah portion of the LXX was written by the 70. The LXX is a particularly bad translation when talking about the non-Torah sections of teh Tanakh, such as the prophet Isaiah.Check the LXX...the seventy knew what the Hebrew said. Parthenos is pretty clear.
They 70 weren't responsible for the Church LXX you have today.Check the LXX...the seventy knew what the Hebrew said. Parthenos is pretty clear.
A parthenos...the LXX choice for alma, is a virgin.No, almah is just a young maiden. Joseph did want to divorce Mary according to the accounts.
You weren't there. Eyewitnesses relate what the angels, who were neither storms nor acts of nature, said on the day he was born: In the City of David, a Savior, Who is Messiah Adonai.Jesus wasn't when he was born.
As I said...More proof that Mary was a virgin, and that your limited skills cannot perceive God's nature and the power of faith in the Word. It was the same Word of the Lord that created the universe. He can also enter the womb when faith in God is real. You're sadly very limited in your scope. You use course, crass, self-satisfying blasphemous terms, suggesting that your Elohim could be or would be like Zeus, raping in the form of a crane.Deut 22
23If there is a virgin pledged in marriage to a man, and another man encounters her in the city and sleeps with her, 24you must take both of them out to the gate of that city and stone them to death—the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he has violated his neighbor’s wife. So you must purge the evil from among you.
After Jesus was born. She had sons and daughters.Not at the moment, but she did shortly
You do not understand the terminology you are using. For you, spirit is a force of nature...totally physical.But your spiritual reality is physical. So, what is the difference?
Your Elohim surpasses your ability to comprehend Him...and He still waits for you to ask Him the same question.No, your gods are they. Why don't you explain how they got their bodies?
No..lt only proves that our Elohim is unlimited and omniscient, unlike your limited invention.It proves you rely on someone's righteousness who depends on others for his righteousness. Contradictions...
The seventy who did the translation were responsible for their choice of variants when translating alma accurately.They 70 weren't responsible for the Church LXX you have today.
We don't have that LXX. Only what the church redacted. The original never included the books of the prophets nor Apocryphal either.The seventy who did the translation were responsible for their choice of variants when translating alma accurately.
Fascinating claim...because you are qualified to judge the translators? Or to deny that the LXX was used by the diaspora centuries before Christians understood the translation, and continue to translate the same using the ancient translations as a guide?Only the torah portion of the LXX was written by the 70. The LXX is a particularly bad translation when talking about the non-Torah sections of teh Tanakh, such as the prophet Isaiah.
You're proving my point. The LXX was by Jews for Jews in the diaspora, because most were losing Hebrew as a language and were speaking Koine Greek. The Jews undertook to facilitate reading and understanding the Holy Word of God. Learn the history of the folks you've wanted to adopt as your own.Why are you even talking about a Greek translation at all????? Translations are ALWAYS inferior to the original language. If you want to know what Isaiah says, you read it in Hebrew.
False claim...Fragments of the LXX are found in Qumran, and other fragments prove that the LXX is more accurate transcribing the historic text than the Masoretic text.We don't have that LXX. Only what the church redacted.
This is false. Gen 34:3 shows parthenos used of Dinah who was raped.A parthenos...the LXX choice for alma, is a virgin.
This is false. A betrothed woman is legally married as Deut 22:22-23 proves. Why do you think Joseph wanted to divorce her?tbh said:A young betrothed virgin is not in a marriage. You're explanations of convenience do not work with me.
Do you have a whole LXX from 200 BCE? No.False claim...Fragments of the LXX are found in Qumran, and other fragments prove that the LXX is more accurate transcribing the historic text than the Masoretic text.
Funny thing...judgment from an unqualified judge...I showed you it was not gibberish, but intelligible speech in three separate languages, and you still call it gibberish.Yep, it was gibberish.
What's special here is not my knowledge. It's your willing rush to judgment. Your willingness to lay out your own lack of qualification...and your blithe, unbridled attempts to sound like you know something you cannot possibly know.So, you know these languages already so what's so special about that? The spirit didn't spontaneously give you these words.
Truth...and I will never allow you to blaspheme, nor record myself speaking the tongues the Spirit gave me.True. But my point is you've practiced this and it is not a gift of the spirit
Sorry you cannot understand...but the point is made. You have no basis for judgement...of gift or language.Sorry, but this was not a gift of the spirit.
But your gods are physical and created? And Jesus was short on righteousness.tbh said:No..lt only proves that our Elohim is unlimited and omniscient, unlike your limited invention.
No one does...Were the Jewish and Christian scriptoriums particularly excellent in accurately copying? Qumran suggests, yes...far better than any other group of copyists.Do you have a whole LXX from 200 BCE? No.
But even you admitted that native speakers don't understand your speech?Funny thing...judgment from an unqualified judge...I showed you it was not gibberish, but intelligible speech in three separate languages, and you still call it gibberish.
My point was what is passed as tongues today is gibberish.What's special here is not my knowledge. It's your willing rush to judgment. Your willingness to lay out your own lack of qualification...and your blithe, unbridled attempts to sound like you know something you cannot possibly know.
You practiced it. The spirit gave you nothing. It's a sham.tbh said:Truth...and I will never allow you to blaspheme, nor record myself speaking the tongues the Spirit gave me.
My Elohim is spirit...and for you incomprehensible. Jesus never had to satisfy your invention to be righteous...He is the WORD made flesh to dwell among us and reveal the Father to us.But your gods are physical and created? And Jesus was short on righteousness.