Why do Evangelicals Always go to the Wrong Source:

Richard7 said:
Actually process: chuckle...

Mormons answer almost six of the seven Bible questions correctly on average. White mainline Protestants and white Catholics each closely resemble the public overall, getting about half of the 32 religious knowledge questions right on average (16 for white Catholics, 15.8 for white mainline Protestants).Sep 28, 2010


Who Knows What About Religion - Pew Research Center​

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And to nobody's surprise, the Mormon didn't process the verse listed and instead went for the usual diversion.
 
organgrinder said:
You would be wrong as usual. Here is what God's word in various translations says and the definition of the Greek word translated as "all things".

John 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

KJV

John 1:3

All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

NKJV

John 1:3

All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

ESV

John 1:3

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

NIV

John 1:3

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

NASU

John 1:3

He created everything there is-nothing exists that he didn't make.

TLB

The JST also used the the wpords "all things were made by Him"... not some or mostly everything.

NT:3956 “pas”

radically means "all." Used without the article it means "every," every kind or variety. So the RV marg. in Eph 2:21, "every building," and the text in 3:15, "every family," and the RV marg. of Acts 2:36, "every house"; or it may signify "the highest degree," the maximum of what is referred to, as, "with all boldness" Acts 4:29. Before proper names of countries, cities and nations, and before collective terms, like "Israel," it signifies either "all" or "the whole," e. g., Matt 2:3; Acts 2:36. Used with the article, it means the whole of one object. In the plural it signifies "the totality of the persons or things referred to." Used without a noun it virtually becomes a pronoun, meaning "everyone" or "anyone." In the plural with a noun it means "all." The neuter singular denotes "everything" or "anything whatsoever." One form of the neuter plural (panta) signifies "wholly, together, in all ways, in all things," Acts 20:35; 1 Cor 9:25. The neuter plural without the article signifies "all things severally," e. g., John 1:3; 1 Cor 2:10; preceded by the article it denotes "all things," as constituting a whole, e. g., Rom 11:36; 1 Cor 8:6; Eph 3:9. See EVERY, Note (1), WHOLE

(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

All means all, and that includes matter. Do you know why? Because He alone is God, and not some wimpy person who was once a man and worked his way to godhood conjured up in the mind of Joseph Smith. Scripture is specific. we as born again believers, actually believe and accept what God's word says. You on the other hand, do not.
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We go to Joseph Smith and his successors and the cult's apostles. Are you more "correct" than them?
 
organgrinder said:
And to nobody's surprise, the Mormon didn't process the verse listed and instead went for the usual diversion.
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organgrinder said:
And to nobody's surprise, the Mormon didn't process the verse listed and instead went for the usual diversion.
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Proving that secular polls sited by Richard above have little to do with facts. We've seen Mormon cultists flaty deny what the Scriptures teach right here on CARM, and instead give us some wacko answer based on what their so-called apologists tell them to believe. Better to ignore their answers since the truth of the Bible has nothing to do with their responses.

It's basically for this reason that I don't like dealing with Mormons. Frankly, if you are a Mormon you have to, at some point, simply be dishonest. If a person is a Mormon, their duty is to support Joseph Smith's teachings and not what the Bible teaches. For all practical purposes they might as well be Muslims - for the writings of their false prophets determine the cult's beliefs and not the Biblical Word of God. If tomorrow Nelson said Adam was once again to be considered God, as Young said Smith taught, they'd all fall lockstep in line. Robots for their cult.
 
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Catherineaurelia said:
Proving that secular polls sited by Richard above have little to do with facts. We've seen Mormon cultists flaty deny what the Scriptures teach right here on CARM, and instead give us some wacko answer based on what their so-called apologists tell them to believe. Better to ignore their answers since the truth of the Bible has nothing to do with their responses.

It's basically for this reason that I don't like dealing with Mormons. Frankly, if you are a Mormon you have to, at some point, simply be dishonest. If a person is a Mormon, their duty is to support Joseph Smith's teachings and not what the Bible teaches. For all practical purposes they might as well be Muslims - for the writings of their false prophets determine the cult's beliefs and not the Biblical Word of God. If tomorrow Nelson said Adam was once again to be considered God, as Young said Smith taught, they'd all fall lockstep in line. Robots for their cult.
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That should read "cited" not "sited."
 
Bonnie said:
But nowhere does it say God ORGANIZED anything out of already existing matter.

God created everything by the power of His Word. Is His Word "nothing"?
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Bonnie said:
Not to mention, a FALSE, non-existent god.
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As usual a theory well after the second century... you guys crack me up, nothing doctrinally is found in the scriptures, so you guys make up false premises.

One non-LDS scholar's conclusion is apt:

Creatio ex nihilo appeared suddenly in the latter half of the second century c.e. Not only did creatio ex nihilo lack precedent, it stood in firm opposition to all the philosophical schools of the Greco-Roman world. As we have seen, the doctrine was not forced upon the Christian community by their revealed tradition, either in Biblical texts or the Early Jewish interpretation of them. As we will also see it was not a position attested in the New Testament doctrine or even sub-apostolic writings. It was a position taken by the apologists of the late second century, Tatian and Theophilus, and developed by various ecclesiastical writers thereafter, by Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Origen. Creatio ex nihilo represents an innovation in the interpretive traditions of revelation and cannot be explained merely as a continuation of tradition.
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Richard7 said:
Chuckle, did God create himself? Is God not matter? Awe, I dunno....lol
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What do you think Ralf? Your God is a weak an ineffective God to whom you aspire to be like. The biblical God is different. He is beyond our human comprehension. He made all things, including what we know as matter. Your God...not so much.
 
Richard7 said:
Chuckle, did God create himself? Is God not matter? Awe, I dunno....lol
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Chuckle, chuckle, no, God did NOT create Himself; God is spirit, remember? As Jesus told the woman at the well in John 4. Which totally contradicts the lies your church teaches about your god being of flesh and bone, as "tangible as a man's" body.

The true God fills the heavens and the earth; your god doesn't. He supposedly lives near a star named "Kolob." The Mormon god is puny and limited, only an exalted man, a little farther up the spiritual evolutionary ladder than we humans are. The false god of the LDS church is NOTHING like the great, almighty, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal God of the Bible.

Mormons worship a weak, poor imitation of the Real God. An imitation is never as good as the real thing.
 
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Richard7 said:
Actually process: chuckle...

Mormons answer almost six of the seven Bible questions correctly on average. White mainline Protestants and white Catholics each closely resemble the public overall, getting about half of the 32 religious knowledge questions right on average (16 for white Catholics, 15.8 for white mainline Protestants).Sep 28, 2010
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Funny how even back in December, you already KNEW that there were onily SEVEN question on "Bible questions" out of the entirety of the 32-question poll.

But what you didn't tell people?

Bible questions:
Evangelical Protestants: 5.2/7 (74%)​
Mormons: ..................... 5.1/7 (73%)​

Knowledge of Christianity:
Evangelical Protestants: 4.1/7 (59%)​
Mormons: ..................... 3.4/7 (49%)​

Knowledge of Judaism:
Evangelical Protestants: 0.9/4 (23%)​
Mormons: ..................... 0.7/4 (18%)​

Knowledge of World Religions:
Evangelical Protestants: 2.3/6 (38%)​
Mormons: ..................... 1.9/6 (32%)​

Knowledge of National Religions:
Evangelical Protestants: 0.86/3 (29%)​
Mormons: ..................... 0.82/3 (25%)​

Percent of Religions in US Population:
Evangelical Protestants: 0.40/2 (20%)​
Mormons: ..................... 0.45/2 (22.5%)​
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Knowledge of Atheists and Agnostics:
Evangelical Protestants: 1.54/2 (77%)​
Mormons: ..................... 1.39/2 (69.5%)​
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Knowledge of Whether Religious Test is needed for US office:
Evangelical Protestants: 0.22/1 (22%)​
Mormons: ..................... 0.23/1 (23%)​
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The fact of the matter is that Mormons only beat Evangelical Protestants in TWO categories (neither of which was "Bible Knowledge"), and in both those categories the lead was VERY slim, and not really statistically relevant.

Mormons should be EMBARRASSED by these results.
 
Well, this is more proof that the Mormon church is a false church and teaches false doctrines--its 4 "scriptures" contradict each other. And in more ways than just this one that you posted, Elijah.

Truth doesn't contradict itself.
 
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