TeabagSalad
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You really don't understand what a belief is, do you?edit
To give you a clue, another word for belief is opinion.
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You really don't understand what a belief is, do you?edit
And yet you spout it like a mantra with no further explanation.edit
God is supposed to be 'Truth'. He wouldn't have to believe to make anything known to him. He would have direct awareness.edit
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Truth is truth. If we can perceive the truth of Logic or Mathematics or Nature we can perceive the truth of God. How was Eve a prefect example.edit
So if we 'learn' to believe by believing then the ability to believe is not something we learn it's something we are born with. We can learn to be better at how we construct our beliefs but we don't actually learn how to believe.edit
It bothers me because you just keep repeating the words with no clarification as to what they mean.edit
I don't know how truth and reality work for God and neither do you.edit
No you propagate that. The bible uses the word belief in the everyday accepted meaning of the word. You do not.edit
Do we have to learn how to breathe do we have to learn how to digest? No.edit
No. Knowledge of the truth is the product of a believing mind.edit
But her belief was built on direct experience. How could she learn to believe before experiencing God?edit
That belief is built from direct perception of the world around us.edit
You just said we 'have to learn how to believe the truth.'edit
If I don't know the difference why would it bother me?edit
Another baseless claimedit
Another baseless claimedit
Not all beliefs are true.edit
Another baseless claimedit
Does it say we must believe without evidence?edit
No it is instinctual. It is pre-programmed.edit
Another nonsensical answer.edit
Is every belief true?edit
Another unfounded claim.edit
She listened to the serpent. The serpent wasn't the father of liars.edit
Of course we do. We have to have input to believe. The only input we have is via our senses.edit
You can also be taught. If you learn by experience. How do you know if you swim well or badly? How do you know if you skate well or badly? Some people don't learn.edit
The question was how. How do they learn? How do they evaluate beliefs?edit
You can also be taught. If you learn by experience. How do you know if you swim well or badly? How do you know if you skate well or badly? Some people don't learn.
Some people drowned.
How do you know if your beliefs are true or false?
The question was how. How do they learn? How do they evaluate beliefs?
It's not.If it is ONLY beliefs that can be known to be true in reality
It's not.
Actually brains and consciousness and perception and reasoning are all necessary to make truth and reality known to you.Actually it is only beliefs that can be make the truth known in reality,
Actually brains and consciousness and perception and reasoning are all necessary to make truth and reality known to you.
So are a breathable atmosphere, a habitable environment, and nutrients fueling both respiration and reproduction. Without those things, beliefs about truth and reality cannot exist.
By itself, belief is insufficient.
You can't PROVE a negative. But it's natural HUMAN NATURE to resist the concept of any "god" that we didn't design for ourselves.If atheists can't explain how they know the truth and reality without believing it first, then atheism can't be true nor can it be known to exist in reality.
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You can't PROVE a negative. But it's natural HUMAN NATURE to resist the concept of any "god" that we didn't design for ourselves.
Belief is capable of making the truth known. It isn't capable of making what is believed, true.If it is ONLY beliefs that can be known to be true in reality, then a belief in reality is the only thing that is capable of making the truth known to us.
Belief is capable of making the truth known.
It isn't capable of making what is believed, true.
Is that also true of unicorns and fairies? Or just things you in your own religion you want to justify?Actually it is only beliefs that can be make the truth known in reality, because unbelief is incapable of making the truth and reality knowable to anyone including you. So, you can bury your head in your unbelief (atheism) all you want, but that gets you nowhere but in a delusion of your own making.
As has been explained to you many times, not everything you believe, is true.But if "belief is capable of making the truth known", then belief must be what makes the truth known.
But if the truth and reality isn't knowable without belief and belief is the only thing "capable of making the truth known", then you can't know anything about the truth or reality without believing it first.
Is that also true of unicorns and fairies? Or just things you in your own religion you want to justify?
As has been explained to you many times, not everything you believe, is true.
Belief makes the truth "known". Belief doesn't make the truth.
Right. It all comes down to what Tercon says "are beliefs in reality". If Tercon says the Christian God is true, then we are all supposed to think he is right, without question. It is beyond the realms of possibility that Tercon can be wrong. And if only everyone would realise that...Strawman. I have never said that "unicorns and fairies" are beliefs in reality, rather it is you who thinks "false belief" are beliefs in reality.
Right. It all comes down to what Tercon says "are beliefs in reality". If Tercon says the Christian God is true, then we are all supposed to think he is right, without question. It is beyond the realms of possibility that Tercon can be wrong. And if only everyone would realise that...
Back in the real world, it turns out Tercon is a fallible human, and his religious beliefs may be wrong. He just cannot acknowledge that possibility.
But you are talking about YOUR beliefs as though they are facts.Strawman. No, I am not talking about belief in God, as it would be a waste of time to use such a belief because you disbelieve in God. Rather it is more productive to use something that both of us believe is a belief in reality; like we both believe 'Joe Biden is president in 2023' as a belief in reality.
Sure, a false belief is one Tercon disagrees with.So, I am saying is that if a 'belief in reality' is a belief like 'Biden is president in 2023'. And anything that isn't a belief in reality is a "false belief" and not a real belief in reality. And because "false beliefs" are not real beliefs in reality, then "false beliefs" must be just unbelief's of reality. They are not real beliefs, but it can be best described as just missing the truth and reality. Understand?
But you are talking about YOUR beliefs as though they are facts.
Can you tell us why Tercon's beliefs are privileged in this way?
Sure, a false belief is one Tercon disagrees with.