Theo1689
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No, I don't (since you asked).
A charitable person would have immediately understood what I meant.
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No, I don't (since you asked).
A charitable person would have immediately understood what I meant.
Theo1689
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Is it "judging" to know that Mormons are not saved?
Is it "judging" to know that JW's aren't saved?
Is it "judging" to know that Muslims are not saved?
Maybe you are one of the more charitable types, but many Arminians have no qualms about "judging" Calvinists as on a one-way road to hell.
But I ask you, if people such as the OP think we're saved, why does he accuse us of having "another gospel"? Can one be saved with "another gospel"?
Theo1689
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Well, there are MANY reasons for proclaiming the gospel to all of mankind:
1) It glorifies God;
2) It is the means by which God draws the elect to Himsefl;
3) We are commanded to do so;
4) Jesus is our Lord, and we obey Him;
You seem to be arguing that it's okay to disobey God if we think there's a good reason for doing so.
Neither Jesus nor ANY of the Apostles taught that we were to go up to strangers and tell them, "Jesus died for YOU!". So why do you do something that Jesus NEVER taught us to do?
Yup, being born to not be is a bit of head scratcher.
You can't beat TULIP with scripture, Lee.
face/palm.
You can't beat TULIP with scripture.
smh
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You judge all the time, Synergy.
Ahhh.
Sure you do if you're preaching the Gospel.
You said you were wise in discerning truth. FYI, you're not wise at all about scriptural truth if you can't judge whether Calvinists are saved or not. ?
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Theo1689
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Muslims are light years away from the truth. They have totally misrepresented Jesus, torn up the Bible, and have wrongly elevated possessed Muhammed to ultimate and final prophet status. I'm not blind to all that but the Bible tells me repeatedly not to judge or condemn others. You possess the free will to condemn them but never tell me I never warned you about what the Bible says about condemning others.
eternomade
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I like these sections of Scripture to articulate the Gospel.
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:21 KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Romans 5:19 KJV
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
I always like to ask those who claim to be Christian what according to the Scriptures means. I believe it refers to the old testament Scriptures. I don't hear the Gospel being preached often from the old testament...
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:21 KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Romans 5:19 KJV
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
I always like to ask those who claim to be Christian what according to the Scriptures means. I believe it refers to the old testament Scriptures. I don't hear the Gospel being preached often from the old testament...
eternomade
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I would define another gospel as anything that adds conditions on the sinner for Salvation, to add/subtract from the work of Christ on Calvary. This would include good works(circumcision), faith, repentance etc.
Reformedguy
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John says they are condemned already. Did you warn him as well?
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of our salvation.
The gospel is a message of grace that is to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. Salvation by works is "another gospel." (Galatians 1:6-9)
The gospel is a message of grace that is to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. Salvation by works is "another gospel." (Galatians 1:6-9)
That is the inspired word of God you're talking about. I have no problem quoting it and warning others about what it says but in no way do I elevate my thoughts up to the level of the Judgment Seat of Christ by condemning others. You possess the free will to judge people but never tell me I never warned you about what the Bible says about judging others.
Reformedguy
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Okay. I wont. LOL
First of all, nobody around here is a Sola Works proponent.
Second of all, how does your gospel line up with the following preordained justifying good works verses from James and Paul:
James 2:24 You see then how a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.
Rom 2:7 indeed to those who with patience in good work are seeking for glory, and honor, and incorruptibility, everlasting life.
eternomade
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The context of James indicates this is a justification before men and not before God. God declared righteous those in Christ when Jesus cried "It is finished!".
The idea that works are involved in justification is from Canon 9 and 11 from the council of Trent. Are you Roman Catholic?
Canon 9.
If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.
Canon 11.
If anyone says that men are justified either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ or by the sole remission of sins, to the exclusion of the grace and the charity which is poured forth in their hearts by the Holy Ghost, and remains in them, or also that the grace by which we are justified is only the good will of God let him be anathema.
Let's see how much you believe that theory. Go ahead and justify your works before us. You have the entire internet as your witness.
and those who do God's preordained good works are not in Christ? Seriously?
No, I am not and never been a Roman Catholic - just a Bible believer, no matter where it takes me.
Evidently, you know much more about Catholicism than I do.
Now back to my question which you conveniently dodged: How does your gospel line up with the following preordained justifying good works verses from James and Paul:
James 2:24 You see then how a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.
Rom 2:7 indeed to those who with patience in good work are seeking for glory, and honor, and incorruptibility, everlasting life.
That's a judgement and a condemnation.
Nope. That is being wise as serpents. In no way do I judge them by sentencing or condemning them to hell. That would be usurping the Judgment Seat of Christ.