Identifying Jehovah in the New Testament

Do you believe that now that Jesus is in heaven, someone there treats him as if he were GOD?
Or do you believe that angels there know how to differentiate between GOD and Jesus Christ?
 
Lilel01 said:
Do you believe that now that Jesus is in heaven, someone there treats him as if he were GOD?
Or do you believe that angels there know how to differentiate between GOD and Jesus Christ?
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ALL angels in heaven worship Jesus Christ AS God since that is who He IS.
 
Lilel01 said:
Do you believe that now that Jesus is in heaven, someone there treats him as if he were GOD?
Or do you believe that angels there know how to differentiate between GOD and Jesus Christ?
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your damnable heresy!

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
 
Lilel01 said:
A Bible student can identify Jehovah in the New Testament very easy. I can think of dozens of passages that clearly speak of Jehovah. This is one of them:

Acts 5:30 The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake. 31 God exalted this one (...) to his right hand (...)

That is Peter speaking to the members of the Sanhedrin, who were trying to prohibit Christians from preaching Jesus as Messiah. Who does Peter refer to as "the God of the forefathers" of the Jews?
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Trinitarians have invented a Jesus to whom they give the very name of the Father, Jehovah. They do not even know the difference, or who Jehovah is, or even that Jesus is the Son of Jehovah...

They have invented a fantasy that they defend as if they have lost their minds and cannot understand anything that the Bible says, as if they were blind...

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him.
 
What should you do to get your name included in this book?

Mal. 3:16 At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name.
 
johnny guitar said:
ALL angels in heaven worship Jesus Christ AS God since that is who He IS.
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Who was it that Jesus obeyed, prayed to, and said sent him to show you the way to his God who sent him?

Tell us who Jesus spoke of when he said these things? You dont know do you?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Joihn 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
 
Lilel01 said:
Does the NT clearly identify that the God spoken of by Jesus Christ and Christians is the same Jehovah mentioned in the pre-Christian Scriptures?
Did Jesus identify Jehovah (God in pre-Christian Scriptures) as his own GOD that he speaks of many times?
Did Christian writers identify Jehovah as their God and Jesus' God?
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Jesus identified The Father as His own God.
Christian writers identify Father, Son, Holy Spirit as their God.
 
Gary Mac said:
Who was it that Jesus obeyed, prayed to, and said sent him to show you the way to his God who sent him?

Tell us who Jesus spoke of when he said these things? You dont know do you?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Joihn 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
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He prayed to The Father.
And........................
 
Lilel01 said:
What should you do to get your name included in this book?

Mal. 3:16 At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name.
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Believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
 
Some believers say that Jehovah is the same person as Jesus. In this topic I have exposed many biblical passages demonstrating that Jehovah is the Father of Jesus. So when the Bible says that Jesus is the Son of God, it is evident that it refers to Jehovah as his Father.

Obviously, it is impossible for Jehovah to be the Father of Jesus and for Jesus to be that same person. But although the Bible is clear that Jehovah is one person and Jesus is another, the son of Jehovah, as it's clear from these texts which clearly state that the Father and his Son have two different names:

Rev. 3:12 The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God (...) and my own new name.
... 14:Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

... you will still find certain "characters" online arguing while insisting that Jehovah is Jesus Christ himself.

However, although Jehovah is the name that personally identifies the Father, inexplicably they continue to insist that Jehovah is Jesus. If Jehovah is Jesus, what then would be the name of his Father?

Also: why in the Bible is never said that Jehovah has a Father (or God), but Jesus does?

On the Internet there are people who argue out of pure vice. Even if you present them with clear biblical evidence that helps them rectify their error, they become emotionally blinded to that biblical evidence. How to help these people?
 
Lilel01 said:
Some believers say that Jehovah is the same person as Jesus. In this topic I have exposed many biblical passages demonstrating that Jehovah is the Father of Jesus. So when the Bible says that Jesus is the Son of God, it is evident that it refers to Jehovah as his Father.

Obviously, it is impossible for Jehovah to be the Father of Jesus and for Jesus to be that same person. But although the Bible is clear that Jehovah is one person and Jesus is another, the son of Jehovah, as it's clear from these texts which clearly state that the Father and his Son have two different names:

Rev. 3:12 The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God (...) and my own new name.
... 14:Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

... you will still find certain "characters" online arguing while insisting that Jehovah is Jesus Christ himself.

However, although Jehovah is the name that personally identifies the Father, inexplicably they continue to insist that Jehovah is Jesus. If Jehovah is Jesus, what then would be the name of his Father?

Also: why in the Bible is never said that Jehovah has a Father (or God), but Jesus does?

On the Internet there are people who argue out of pure vice. Even if you present them with clear biblical evidence that helps them rectify their error, they become emotionally blinded to that biblical evidence. How to help these people?
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You’re right that Jesus Christ isn’t God (Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH, the tetragrammaton) but you’re wrong in believing he is Michael, and that he preexisted his conception.
 
You can't tell me in what I am wrong or right since you never discussed that topic with me.

What makes you think that it is not you who is wrong?
 
Lilel01 said:
You can't tell me in what I am wrong or right since you never discussed that topic with me.
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I have responded to several of your posts.

Lilel01 said:
What makes you think that it is not you who is wrong?
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The Bible says Jesus Christ is a man. Jesus himself said it in John 8:40; Peter says it in Acts 2:22: Paul says it in several places. Jesus is a man who died, and God raised him from the dead. He is the “second man,” the “last Adam.” The Passover Lamb had to be a lamb from the flock, not an angel who became a man. There is much more.
 
Think about this: in terms of power, what is superior, an angel or a man?

When those who think that Jesus Christ is now a human, even with flesh and bones, in heaven...don't you find that scandalous?

Heb. 2:9 But we do see Jesus, who was made a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, so that by God’s undeserved kindness he might taste death for everyone.

Phil. 2:7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.

PD: I just opened a thread about this issue. I will analize other arguments about it in that topic. Maybe another day because it's 12.00 am here in Atlanta. Good night.
 
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