Dizerner
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glad you like it
Not sure that is the "stuff" he was referring to, lol.
glad you like it
He had a way with words. That was a good montage.glad you like it
Adam's fall involved sin
How is it you missed the obvious
What would you call revolt against God
and what do you imagine the evil to be that Calvin says God works into the heart of the wicked
'No there was no bait and switch
You simply were not being very perceptive here
Exactly. God determined the fall yet Adam freely chose to sin making him responsible.Lam 3:37 Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it?
This seems to be a rhetorical question by Jeremiah with the assumed answer of "nobody."
Would that apply to Satan the Father of lies.
I'm not saying that the Lord has to command every exact word, but Satan or if you prefer the Serpent did speak and lie to Eve.
Again, just venting against Arminians or Pelagians who seem to think that a lot of things that happen are just chance events. God doesn't control these things, He just tries to clean up the mess afterwards.
DoublespeakExactly. God determined the fall yet Adam freely chose to sin making him responsible.
Necessity is contrary to freedom? Do explain.Doublespeak
If it was determined it was necessary and necessity is contrary to freedom
Hey, good to see you back...Do you think sin is not evil?! ? That sounds very confused.
Would you say God authors some evil but not all evil?
I admit that by the will of God all the sons of Adam fell into that state of wretchedness in which they are now involved; and this is just what I said at the first, that we must always return to the mere pleasure of the divine will, the cause of which is hidden in himself
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 1997).
If God merely foresaw human events, and did not also arrange and dispose of them at his pleasure, there might be room for agitating the question, how far his foreknowledge amounts to necessity; but since he foresees the things which are to happen, simply because he has decreed that they are so to happen, it is vain to debate about prescience, while it is clear that all events take place by his sovereign appointment
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 1997).
They deny that it is ever said in distinct terms, God decreed that Adam should perish by his revolt,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Nor ought it to seem absurd when I say, that God not only foresaw the fall of the first man, and in him the ruin of his posterity; but also at his own pleasure arranged it
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 1997).
how foolish and frail is the support of divine justice afforded by the suggestion that evils come to be, not by His will but by His permission…It is a quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing, but the author of them…Who does not tremble at these judgments with which God works in the hearts of even the wicked whatever He will, rewarding them nonetheless according to desert?
John Calvin, “The Eternal Predestination of God,
Doublespeak
If it was determined it was necessary and necessity is contrary to freedom
Doublespeak
If it was determined it was necessary and necessity is contrary to freedom
Foreknowledge does not necessitate necessity but determinism doesWe could, technically, say the free agent is the determiner in that sense, thus it is determined.
Foreknowledge does not equal necessity, this is simply a logical error that does not follow.
Theo
Since you got this from Logos, which you presumably have, is there a particular reason you chose NOT to give the specific citation? Is it that you didn't want anyone to check the context?
Yes I have it and that is how it was quoted from logos as you can clearly see
Does this mean you've read the first two books in their entirety and Book III up to Ch. 23?
Do you have anything to say which addresses the text
Does this mean you've read the first two books in their entirety and Book III up to Ch. 23?
Is there a reason you just repeat yourself?
Do you have anything which addresses the text
NOT to give the specific citation? Is it that you didn't want anyone to check the context?
Have you nothing to say addressing it?
So did you take out the two sections of text, and replace them with ellipses, or did the secondary source you plagiarized this from take out the text? Do you even know what the removed text was?
As a mater fact I addressed this a while back
I purchased the book and verified the quote
and posted previously that the quote was valid
again do you have anything which actually addresses the quote
But the question was to you
So you believe God is the author of sin seeing as he decreed it?
Saving Space and typing
Can you deal with the quotes
they are valid quotes from Calvin
a question is not a misrepresentation
This is 100% logically valid.
The reporting on this place is obscene and petty.
Certainly merely asking a question is not misrepresentationThis is 100% logically valid.
The reporting on this place is obscene and petty.
The op was proof Calvin held that God authors sin
how foolish and frail is the support of divine justice afforded by the suggestion that evils come to be, not by His will but by His permission…It is a quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing, but the author of them…Who does not tremble at these judgments with which God works in the hearts of even the wicked whatever He will, rewarding them nonetheless according to desert?
John Calvin, “The Eternal Predestination of God,