Resisting God, His Grace, His Spirit

"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." (1 John 2:2).

Jesus is the propitiation for the whole world.

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

What remains is our free choice to believe in Him so that we are gifted with everlasting life.

That's exactly my point. Thanks for elaborating.

Does Calvinism support the fact that everyone has been gifted with a mind and a conscience to freely do what is mentioned in Rom 2:15?

Of course we have to align our wills to God's will. Why would you even ask that question?
Either the whole world sins are propitiated or they are not. Logically. If they are then on what basis is anyone lost?

Sure. You freely choose what God has preordained.

So you choices are free as long as they align with Gods will? Hmm...
 
That is your game not mine.

definition please. {please insert your definition here}

Not mattering .... never to be.

Am I close now?

pretty much.. you must be like ghost

not real... and floating -

only doing thinking/ doing

as God says/ thinks for you to...

nothing else... only not really there...

before belief (perfection)

you are ghost and not exist

total ghost / not real... change into

Insta - belief caused suddenly by God

so that now look real, but still not alive

because is completely

controlled by God...

so like a more visible kind of being -

after belief, but only

a shadow really...

a controlled entity still..

only deemed holy but not in control,

still not real, ... not alive
 
Okay... Now we have to discuss what is MEANT by "whole world".
Okay... Now we have to discuss what is MEANT by "world".
The "whole world" is the "whole word".
The "world" is the "world".

You already attempted the following revision: children of Jerusalem Pharisees (Matt 23:37).
Your attempt to stipulate that Jesus wanted to gather only the children of Pharisees totally failed.

Anyways, let's see what further Reformist revisions are in store for us.
Keep those revisions coming.
Scripture NEVER refers to any "free choice to believe in Him".
To believe in Jesus is not a choice? Then who does the deciding for you?
Your assertion is unBiblical.
So it is not a "fact".
Rom 2:15 does not mention hearts and conscience?
 
Either the whole world sins are propitiated or they are not. Logically. If they are then on what basis is anyone lost?

Sure. You freely choose what God has preordained.

So you choices are free as long as they align with Gods will? Hmm...

Bolded above .....

That is the way it goes.

I guess you have not gotten to the never can be thingy yet?

Though you are propagating such.
 
Either the whole world sins are propitiated or they are not. Logically. If they are then on what basis is anyone lost?
Here is one basis (John 15:6):
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Here's another basis (Heb 6:4-6):
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Sure. You freely choose what God has preordained.
John 15:6 and Heb 6:4-6 are examples of people freely choosing what God has not preordained.
God does not preordain evil otherwise He is no better than a pagan god.
So you choices are free as long as they align with Gods will? Hmm...
How did you come up with that idea? Our choices are free and it's best that they align with God's will.
 
Here is one basis (John 15:6):
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Here's another basis (Heb 6:4-6):
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

John 15:6 and Heb 6:4-6 are examples of people freely choosing what God has not preordained.
God does not preordain evil otherwise He is no better than a pagan god.

How did you come up with that idea? Our choices are free and it's best that they align with God's will.
So the whole world is propitiated but it's not.

But if your free choice clashes with Gods will you lose out right? Or does God win some and man wins some?
 
Either the whole world sins are propitiated or they are not. Logically. If they are then on what basis is anyone lost?

Sure. You freely choose what God has preordained.

So you choices are free as long as they align with Gods will? ......

New Living Translation

Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, .................................................. All that I know now is partial and incomplete,
 
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So the whole world is propitiated but it's not.

But if your free choice clashes with Gods will you lose out right? Or does God win some and man wins some?

Not sure .... what end of the stick do you want me to take?

Probably the not mattering end?
 
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So the whole world is propitiated but it's not.
I've quoted many non-contradictory bible verses for you already. Choose to believe those verses and all contradictions will dissolve
But if your free choice clashes with Gods will you lose out right?
Yes. John 15:6 and Heb 6:4-6 are some examples.
Or does God win some and man wins some?
No. God wins them all in the end. There will be much gnashing of teeth for many.
 
I've quoted many non-contradictory bible verses for you already. Choose to believe those verses and all contradictions will dissolve

Yes. John 15:6 and Heb 6:4-6 are some examples.

No. God wins them all in the end. There will be much gnashing of teeth for many.
The whoever world is propitiated but it's not is contradictory.

Some examples of what? You also question beg your understanding being the right one.

So your will is free yet restrained
 
The "whole world" is the "whole word".
The "world" is the "world".

Okay, those are what's called "tautologies", and they're worthless.
They don't define anything.
That's like going to the dictionary and looking up "potato", and it says, "it's a potato".

Have you seen Matt Walsh's documentary, "What is a Woman?" He went around asking leftists, "What is a woman?", and he could never get a straight answer. The closest he could get was, "A woman is someone who identifies as a woman". But who are they identifying as?

In the same way, saying, "world" means "world" is meaningless. It doesn't convey anything. You simply want the audience to ASSUME it means the same thing as YOU want it to mean, but you can't prove it, which is why you dodge.

You SHOULD say, ""world means every single individual" (which is presumably what you believe), but you will never say that, because then you would have to PROVE it, and you know you can't do that.

You already attempted the following revision: children of Jerusalem Pharisees (Matt 23:37).
Your attempt to stipulate that Jesus wanted to gather only the children of Pharisees totally failed.

No, YOU are the one engaging in "revisionism", YOU are the one trying to turn TWO distinct groups ("you" and "your children") into ONE group, and that is grammatically impossible and intellectually dishonest.

Anyways, let's see what further Reformist revisions are in store for us.
Keep those revisions coming.

Nothing but worthless and insulting ad hominem.

To believe in Jesus is not a choice? Then who does the deciding for you?

I never said that, of course.

Rom 2:15 does not mention hearts and conscience?

That says absolutely NOTHING about an imaginary "ability to believe".
WHy is it that heretics quote Rom. 2, and never bother to keep reading until ch. 3?

Rom. 3:9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 in their paths are ruin and misery,
17 and the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
 
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