Carbon
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It sure is.Yes it’s like looking at a 1000 piece puzzle that has pieces scattered all over the place. His theology is a mess .
It sure is.Yes it’s like looking at a 1000 piece puzzle that has pieces scattered all over the place. His theology is a mess .
That amounts to bald denialYes, one must have life (regenerated) to believe. And John teaches no such thing as you say, or at least not in the way your trying to teach it.
Theo1689 said:
What do you see in John 20:31 that you falsely think Calvinists don't accept?
I know you believe that but what bothers me the most about it is, how much scripture you quote and it does not support you. I’m really surprised you don’t understand it.One is not regenerated until one believes
Not sure how you find such a teaching here?John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Well Tom, I do deny that what you teach is truth.That amounts to bald denial
And your still wrong.One is not regenerated until one believes
Really Tom? I assume you agree with context?John 1:12 (ESV)
12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Tom has them DOING something then has God rewarding their work (doing) with eternal life. That's a false gospel.And your still wrong.
Really Tom? I assume you agree with context?
Lets look at it.
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:12-13
First, it does say: to all who did receive him.
So, Christ was given. I think we both can agree here.
Since He was given, we can believe. As just mentioned in 1 John. In previous post.
But keeping context… How do we explain this that you presented? John 1:12.
Well, let’s turn to context.
So we have those who receive Him, and believe in His name. Is it as you say? Free will faith? Not according to the next verse which explains how.
1) who were born not of blood.
So it has nothing to do with natural generation.
2) nor of the will of the flesh or of man.
So no one can make themselves believe by any act, disposition, or motion of their own human will.
But of God.
Only By the power of His Spirit!
Tom, I have to say, so far you have presented a poor choice of verses. Plus, by whose authority gives you the right to take scripture apart, out of context, and present it as truth?
Worse of all by doing so, your claiming this is what God has said! Remember the Third Commandment!
Tom I’m not sure how this could relate to your theory, so I’ll leave it for now. If you care to elaborate, please do.Colossians 2:12-13 (ESV)
12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.
13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
Salvation by works.Tom has them DOING something then has God rewarding their work (doing) with eternal life. That's a false gospel.
Tom I’m shocked you would pick such a passage! Do you know what you have done? You have totally destroyed your theory. Would you like to dive into this passage together?Ephesians 2:5-8 (ESV)
5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
When we were dead….HE made us alive. That blows his pet doctrine out of the H2O.Tom I’m shocked you would pick such a passage! Do you know what you have done? You have totally destroyed your theory. Would you like to dive into this passage together?
And what’s really bad is, by him teaching such as truth, it’s claiming this is what God has said. He should keep the third commandment in mind.Tom has them DOING something then has God rewarding their work (doing) with eternal life. That's a false gospel.
Yes dead as in no spiritual life existing until God made them alive first. Paul says the exact same thing in Colossians 2 as well.When we were dead….HE made us alive. That blows his pet doctrine out of the H2O.
#WhoaDude
#Heavy
And there is absolutely no way around that truth. None, zero, zilch!Yes dead as in no spiritual life existing until God made them alive first.
So you believe the logical sequence is: first there is regeneration, then afterwards faith, then afterwards eternal life?Wrong, wrong, wrong.
I have NEVER claimed that "life comes before believing".
I have ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS believed that life comes AFTER believing:
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever (1) believes in him should not perish but (2) have eternal life.
With a side of choice meats (conditional election) thrown in.Salvation by works.
It’s salvation by works, as plain as the nose on your face.And what’s really bad is, by him teaching such as truth, it’s claiming this is what God has said. He should keep the third commandment in mind.
Well I’m baloney…wait bologna. ??With a side of choice meats (conditional election) thrown in.
Exactly what are you trying to make this verse say Tom?1 Corinthians 4:15 (ESV)
15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Maybe you are his spiritual father nowExactly what are you trying to make this verse say Tom?