Joseph’s brothers by selling Joseph wasnt sin??
How does the rest of the story go?
God intervened. God used good to bless Joseph.
Joseph’s brothers by selling Joseph wasnt sin??
How does the rest of the story go?
You say that God's mercy and compassion is dependent on human will and exertion.When Calvinist say what Jesus and Paul taught is not true I will stay with what Jesus and Paul taught and know Calvinist are wrong.
This is an interesting observation, and one which seems to align with Paul's comments that through Adam sin entered the world, and likewise, through Christ we have redemption. It does seem a bit lopsided for all of fallen humanity to be damned through the fault of one person regardless of what one does or not while only those who do the right thing can possibly be saved.What did the atonement accomplish?
Was it a possibility to be saved? Is God waiting, hoping that people will believe on His Son?
The gospel is not an offer, or invitation. It's a declaration, proclamation of who Jesus is and what He accomplished. He didn't do 99% and leave sinners with the 1%.
The issue is we believe different gospels. You add faith as a condition man must fulfill in order to be saved. I believe in free and sovereign grace. I believe that Jesus fulfilled all conditions necessary, and that faith is a fruit of the Spirit.
That would necessarily follow, wouldn't it? Why would God predestine what he knows will disappoint himself? Seems like a bit of a masochistic god.So you believe God can't be disappointed?
Masochistic gods fit perfectly with that observation.It is common for man to see God as they see themselves. We usually call these vain imagination. Idols.
If you want to discuss what I actually said, I am willing to. I did not say God believes and repents for me. Let's discuss John 6. Why did many disciples walk away after he said this:
Quite simply at that time Christ was not drawing all people to himself"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."
John 6:63-66 KJV
We can be disappointed; therefore, some people project that onto God; but, God works all things according the counsel of his own will; so, he cannot be disappointed.So you believe God can't be disappointed?
It is common for man to see God as they see themselves. We usually call these vain imagination. Idols.
What I hate are lies and half truths. Still waiting for your post# or quote where I said God failed. We both know that isn’t true, but you said I did so where is the proof ? FYI, disagreeing and exposing the errors of Calvinism is not a failure on God’s part it’s a failure on Calvinist.Whether Calvinist or Arminian. ?
You Calvinist hater you. ?
Don’t be a hater.
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There is no difference in these two statements. No twisting involved. Just misunderstanding on your part.
I've read the word "might" a few times in the Bible. What does that word mean to you?
I have references for the word might and I provided a specific verse. I believe I can understand the English word "might" without needing your explanation.
Since you can read my mind and know what I believe there’s no reason for you to ask me anymore questions.No. You're the one that believes God can't be disappointed.
God isn't threatened by the sin of anything.
The proof is in the pudding.What I hate are lies and half truths. Still waiting for your post# or quote where I said God failed. We both know that isn’t true, but you said I did so where is the proof ? FYI, disagreeing and exposing the errors of Calvinism is not a failure on God’s part it’s a failure on Calvinist.
When you started here, I thought you were a Calvinist?What I hate are lies and half truths. Still waiting for your post# or quote where I said God failed. We both know that isn’t true, but you said I did so where is the proof ? FYI, disagreeing and exposing the errors of Calvinism is not a failure on God’s part it’s a failure on Calvinist.
You made the accusation where is the post or quote where I said God failed. My faith in God cannot be shaken by your proof texts and errors. Just remember a false witness is just that a false witness.The proof is in the pudding.
You won’t like me to break your theology down in one post.
Carry on.
To be a Calvinist I would have to believe that God is unjust condemning people to hell for His own good pleasure. I would have to ignore John 3:16 where Jesus said whosoever believes will be saved as I would have to disregard what Paul said to the jailer when asked what must I do to be saved when he was told he had to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. Scripture is clear that God is long suffering not willing that any should perish. Men perish when they reject and ignore the call of God to repent and believe.When you started here, I thought you were a Calvinist?
So you don't think that there's any difference between:
"God's work is that man believes", and
"Man's work is that man believes"?
Scripture says that GOD's work is that man believes.
You TWIST that to mean it is that "man believes".
Since you can read my mind and know what I believe there’s no reason for you to ask me anymore questions.
Oh by the way ,
Welcome to CARM
Here is what you originally said.
You could have quoted what you said but your rephrased. Why?
That would necessarily follow, wouldn't it? Why would God predestine what he knows will disappoint himself? Seems like a bit of a masochistic god.
Masochistic gods fit perfectly with that observation.
You are a newbie here, yet you come off as someone with a huge chip on your shoulder. If you would like to have a discussion here, and if you want people to answer your questions, you need to be willing to answer the questions of others. To act otherwise is not reasonable.
So I await your answers to my questions.
Just being systemic. No need to try to "label" me.
You rephrased what you said and pretended you didn't. It is that simple.
There you go proof texting again. ?To be a Calvinist I would have to believe that God is unjust condemning people to hell for His own good pleasure. I would have to ignore John 3:16 where Jesus said whosoever believes will be saved as I would have to disregard what Paul said to the jailer when asked what must I do to be saved when he was told he had to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. Scripture is clear that God is long suffering not willing that any should perish. Men perish when they reject and ignore the call of God to repent and believe.