Both of you fail to show that there is a single verse which states God determined the Jews desire to kill Christ
The unreasonableness of anti-Calvinists
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I'll turn your argument around and put it on you: You fail to show that there is a single verse which states God did not determine the Jews desire to kill Christ.
Sorry it was RG's statement and he must support it if he is going to hold on to EDD.
Bob Carabbio
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Chuckle!!! Where'd you find folks teaching THIS silliness?? Anybody with an argument like that is obviously totally ignorant of Calvinism, and almost certainly of the Bible as well.
You're failing to address the absurdity in your own argument.
You failed to show any absurdity
and neither of you are able to show God determined the Jews desire to kill Christ
neither are you able to show God did not determine the Jews desire to kill Christ
Thanks for the argument against yourself ?
I do not need to but RG does
The scripture is silent on it so RG needs to find a basis for his claim and so do you
Reformedguy
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God moves the heart where He wishes it to go.
Replacing the heart of stone us determining ones desires. Tge seat of our desires is the heart.
What part of this did you not understand
RG claimed Gd caused the desire of the jews to kill Christ
He needs to support that claim with scripture.
Sorry you do not even quote the verse properly or even give a reference,
there are no verses which state god determined the desire of the jews to kill Christ.
Reformedguy
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God moves the heart where He wishes it to go.
So did God bring about the crucifixion "by His hand"? How did He plan the crucifixion and ensure His plan was carried out?
Here is where the choice me dummies up. Literally
sorry there is no verse which applies that to the jews desire to kill Christ
You take a verse from it's context citing but a partial quote and then apply it where the bible never does.
They call that scripture twisting
Reformedguy
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God moves the heart where He wishes it to go. Nuh uh, not the Jews who crucified Christ. Their exempt. SAYS THE TEXT NOWHERE.
How did God ensure His plan, that He determined would take place. The plan brought about by His hand?
still ignoring the point
sorry there is no verse which applies that to the jews desire to kill Christ
You take a verse from it's context citing but a partial quote and then apply it where the bible never does.
They call that scripture twisting
Because critical thinking is a thing.
The simple fact that anybody knows what they are going to do at some point in the future doesn't entail that they are omniscient and omnipotent.
For example: I have a calendar with several meetings on it today, and it doesn't require omniscient or omnipotence for me to be there for them.
If you believe that I must be omniscient and omnipotent to make it to those meetings, the onus would be on you to demonstrate that.
Reformedguy
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There is no verse they are excluded from God moves the heart where He wishes it to go.
God also determines our desires by removing the heart of stone and CAUSING us to follow His statutes. Tom would say God is using force.
And?
Just because God purposes some event doesn't entail that he purposed every event. If you think it does, please explain.
Nor does the fact that God purposes things that require omniscience and omnipotence to bring to pass. If you think it does, please explain.
Are you capable demonstrating how your singular platitude extrapolates into your doctrine?