preacher4truth
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Or as they say in some parts of Appalachia; "Saved twiced."
Titus 3:5 exposes the anomalous dilemma of Calvinism.
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Reformedguy
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That's not a answer. That's what we call a dodge. No Provisionist will answer the question.
preacher4truth
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The first, that God regenerates us, is God taking our heart of stone and replacing it with a heart of flesh. It is God taking us from being the natural man who is incapable of understanding the gospel, to the spiritual man who revels in it. It is as Jesus said, taking what is impossible with man, and God makes it possible. Without God, salvation remains impossible, if Jesus is to be believed. With open ears, and lifted blindness, the natural man becomes a spiritual man understanding the message of the gospel, and falling under the conviction of it. (Like with Saul. God first wakes him up, then crushes him with the truth, then buries Saul in the sand, and out comes Paul. This is like the perfect example of God being the one who saves, how He does it, and the fact that we cannot/do not come out the same.
The faith is that which comes about, a reaction to, facing the truth of who we are, and the truth of who God is. That complete and absolute transformation of the mind. We no longer look at life, or God, the same.
You might believe that you are saved twice but that's not what the Bible says (Rom 10:8-18; Titus 3:5)
Once you believe in Christ you are saved through regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit. <-- Saved once.
preacher4truth
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You don't grasp regeneration.
But that serves your purpose, does it not, so you can continue to erect straw men? Yes, of course.
Wouldn't you rather deal with these things with the integrity of honest representation? That seems to go along with the Biblical portrait of a saved person, correct?
They must be Calvinists.
Titus 3:5 says you're saved through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit. So you're saved at STEP 1.
And then Calvinists say you're saved at STEP 3.
Calvinists are the Twice Saved group.
This is what we believe based on Rom 10:8-18 & Titus 3:5:
Once you believe in Christ you are saved through regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit. <-- Saved once.
Christian
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correct you don't grasp regeneration, born again, life, new life, new birth, born of the spirit etc .....all describing on in the same thing - eternal life, salvation. so much for your conflating them to support your false doctrine of secret regeneration ?
Born again, born of God, born of the Spirit and born of Him(Jesus) are all synonyms. We know when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus that he was not born again. Jesus told him of his need to be born from above.
John 3:3
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:6
6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
1 John 2:29
29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.
1 John 3:9
9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him;
1 John 4:7
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
1 John 5:1
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
1 John 5:4
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith.
1 John 5:11
And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
1 John 5:18-19
18 We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1 Peter 1:23-25
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,
“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25 but the word of the Lord endures forever.”
And this is the word that was preached to you.
James 1:18
He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation.
terms such as born again (John 3:3), born of God (John 1:13), and born of the Spirit (John 3:6). They all mean the same thing. Birth metaphors are used because we all understand physical birth. When a baby is born, a new person emerges into the world. The new life will grow, and the young person will come to resemble his or her parents. When we are born of the Spirit, a “new person” arrives with a new spiritual life. And as we grow, we come to resemble our Father in heaven (Romans 8:29)got?
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That's how God saves us (Titus 3:5). We do not save ourselves.
I'm just telling you what's written in Titus 3:5. That's my purpose. It's not advisable to associate Titus 3:5 with strawman attributes.
Titus 3:5 can stand for itself as far as being honest is concerned. Just knock off the Calvinist stigmatizing.
I think he is a typical Calvinist Preacher. That's the problem. They do tend to get away with Calvinist anti-Bible presuppositions and myths. This thread is a perfect example of that.
Love to stay and chat but gotta run...
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Reformedguy
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What is the purpose of regeneration post faith? Regeneration does not save you. Your saved by grace through faith.
Christian
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Reformedguy
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What's the purpose of regeneration post faith?
Christian
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whats the purpose of faith post regeneration
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Christian
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To save lol