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Every soul of His is needed.Why do you use the word "reject"?
I asked why he's needed.
Every soul of His is needed.Why do you use the word "reject"?
I asked why he's needed.
It was the apostles led by Peter, not Paul, who were to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.
Paul merely appointed himself as an apostle to the gentiles but his apostleship wasn't recognized by the official apostles.
As the author of 13 of the 27 books in the New Testament, Paul is arguably the most influential apostle in Christianity. Interestingly, Paul never met Jesus when the latter lived on earth. He also has a history of viciously persecuting the followers of Jesus. It was only after an alleged encounter with Jesus during a journey that Paul changed his ways and started proclaiming himself as an apostle of Jesus. Whether or not Paul was speaking the truth is a separate matter and will be addressed in later videos, God willing. But in this video we will examine if it was even possible for there to be a 13th apostle.
According to the gospel account, there were 12 apostles. After Judas killed himself, 2 candidates were shortlisted to be the replacement for Judas. They were Matthias and Barsabbas. Peter prayed and cast lots. The lot fell on Matthias, who then joined the disciples. This account appears in Acts 1:12-26. Note that the number of Apostles was fixed at 12. Peter did not enlist both Matthias and Barsabbas because there was no room for a 13th apostle.
Peter’s criteria for selecting an apostle was that candidates had to have been with them since the time Jesus was baptised.
"Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection” (Acts 1:20-22)
Thus, the criteria that an apostle candidate had to meet was that he should have been with the apostles from the time of the baptism of Jesus until the time of Jesus' ascension. Peter was simply following what he heard from Jesus. In John 15, Jesus said the following:
He said to them: “You also will bear witness, because you have been with me from the beginning” (John 15:27)
Furthermore, Jesus said there are only 12 apostles.
“Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of his glory, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel” (Matthew 19:28)
The book of Revelation also says there are only 12 apostles.
“And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God… The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb” (Revelation 21:10, 14)
As we have seen, twelve thrones, twelve tribes, twelve foundations and twelve apostles. The number of apostles was fixed at 12.
If Paul was indeed a true apostle, then there would have been 13 thrones and 13 foundations with the names of the 13 apostles (that is, the original 11, Matthias and Paul). We have no reason to think Paul was among the 12, as Judas was replaced by Matthias long before Paul’s conversion. If it was even possible for there to be a 13th apostle, Peter would have selected both Matthias and Barsabbas instead of drawing lots to choose one of them.
Since there could have only been 12 apostles, Paul simply could not have been an apostle.
Every soul that is of God is like Him.Every soul of His is needed.
Jesus doesn't make any mention of a 13th apostle.
Jesus gave the disciples the task of preaching to all creation (so that includes Jews and Gentiles).
He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. (Mark 16:15)
Also, Peter was the apostle to the Gentiles.
“After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: ‘Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe'” (Acts 15:7)
Paul shows up out of nowhere and declares himself an apostle to the gentiles.
Actually it was Pauls choice not Gods at all.Paul was Gods choice to replace Judas, keeping the number at 12
did you subtract Barnabas? did you subtract Matthias?Paul was Gods choice to replace Judas, keeping the number at 12
No.Was Paul the thirteenth apostle?
I agree with you. The anointed Apostles of Christ never once referred to Paul as an Apostle. While Paul self-identified as one. The Apostles only referred to Paul as brother. Which is a term applicable to all males in Christ among one another. As is the term, sister, the endearing term among women.
As the author of 13 of the 27 books in the New Testament, Paul is arguably the most influential apostle in Christianity. Interestingly, Paul never met Jesus when the latter lived on earth. He also has a history of viciously persecuting the followers of Jesus. It was only after an alleged encounter with Jesus during a journey that Paul changed his ways and started proclaiming himself as an apostle of Jesus. Whether or not Paul was speaking the truth is a separate matter and will be addressed in later videos, God willing. But in this video we will examine if it was even possible for there to be a 13th apostle.
According to the gospel account, there were 12 apostles. After Judas killed himself, 2 candidates were shortlisted to be the replacement for Judas. They were Matthias and Barsabbas. Peter prayed and cast lots. The lot fell on Matthias, who then joined the disciples. This account appears in Acts 1:12-26. Note that the number of Apostles was fixed at 12. Peter did not enlist both Matthias and Barsabbas because there was no room for a 13th apostle.
Peter’s criteria for selecting an apostle was that candidates had to have been with them since the time Jesus was baptised.
"Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection” (Acts 1:20-22)
Thus, the criteria that an apostle candidate had to meet was that he should have been with the apostles from the time of the baptism of Jesus until the time of Jesus' ascension. Peter was simply following what he heard from Jesus. In John 15, Jesus said the following:
He said to them: “You also will bear witness, because you have been with me from the beginning” (John 15:27)
Furthermore, Jesus said there are only 12 apostles.
“Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of his glory, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel” (Matthew 19:28)
The book of Revelation also says there are only 12 apostles.
“And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God… The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb” (Revelation 21:10, 14)
As we have seen, twelve thrones, twelve tribes, twelve foundations and twelve apostles. The number of apostles was fixed at 12.
If Paul was indeed a true apostle, then there would have been 13 thrones and 13 foundations with the names of the 13 apostles (that is, the original 11, Matthias and Paul). We have no reason to think Paul was among the 12, as Judas was replaced by Matthias long before Paul’s conversion. If it was even possible for there to be a 13th apostle, Peter would have selected both Matthias and Barsabbas instead of drawing lots to choose one of them.
Since there could have only been 12 apostles, Paul simply could not have been an apostle.
The end of a man is when he dies to his old self in his old ways of thinking about a god and actually receive from the God of Heaven, which simply is Love, to be like Him instead of that old man who has to die if you are to be of the God of heaven.His 144k are the apostles of these end times today
along with Paul and His ones in early Christianity and the prophets in the OT
you have no understanding who I am or what I do or what I have received.You are waiting for something that you could receive this day.
every soul of His having an attribute (see, talents)His 144k are the apostles of these end times today
along with Paul and His ones in early Christianity and the prophets in the OT
The issue of your thread is not whether Paul was an apostle or not but to state that the full bible is not true for saying that Paul is speaking claims rather than speaking from the Holy Spirit is to call into question the bible itself. Nevertheless the difference between the bible and all other books is that it is living:Yes, I am aware that Paul called himself an apostle, and that he begins most of his letters calling himself an apostle. But those are just claims. It doesn't prove Paul was indeed an apostle.
Besides, as outlined in the OP, Jesus and the book of Revelation teach there were only 12 apostles. So there's no room in the apostle department for a 13th apostle, i.e., Paul.
Paul was an Apostle but when scripture refers to the 12 it doesn’t include him . He was just as much an Apostle that was picked by Jesus personally as the rest .Yes, I am aware that Paul called himself an apostle, and that he begins most of his letters calling himself an apostle. But those are just claims. It doesn't prove Paul was indeed an apostle.
Besides, as outlined in the OP, Jesus and the book of Revelation teach there were only 12 apostles. So there's no room in the apostle department for a 13th apostle, i.e., Paul.
The proof of the authority of Paul is God himself. If God did not want Paul's claims or if He believed there was error then He would have made sure it was not in the bible.Yes, I am aware that Paul called himself an apostle, and that he begins most of his letters calling himself an apostle. But those are just claims. It doesn't prove Paul was indeed an apostle.
Besides, as outlined in the OP, Jesus and the book of Revelation teach there were only 12 apostles. So there's no room in the apostle department for a 13th apostle, i.e., Paul.
Sure I do, you have openly told us what you believe.you have no understanding who I am or what I do or what I have received.