And it is not your institution which teaches false doctrines and there was no bishop of rome in Jesus' day and Peter was never a bishop of rome. My idea of Jesus' church is it is a light not a place where evil flourishes. Your institution is a false church where evil flourishes and wolves teach. Your institution is full of conflicting doctrines and beliefs, we have seen it in the RC posts. By the way varying end time views are fine and the bible is meant to be discussed and debated. The only group afraid to discuss scripture is the RCC. The Jewish people will debate for days on one word and its meaning.
What things in the Catholic/Eastern Orthodox church teachings of TODAY are NOT in the Early Church Fathers' Teachings?
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Rubbish your institution is the opposite of his church, Peter was never head of anything. You have conflicting views we see it posted here by RCs. You are putting your head in the sand and avoiding the truth. One baptism really? Don't make me laugh. We have heard of many forms of baptisms in the RCC.
Rubbish your institution is the opposite of his church, Peter was never head of anything. You have conflicting views we see it posted here by RCs. You are putting your head in the sand and avoiding the truth. One baptism really? Don't make me laugh. We have heard of many forms of baptisms in the RCC.
Really it is insulting Jesus and Peter when RCCs claim this, they would never have allowed the evil and false doctrines of the RCC.
Theophilos
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Use of a 27-book New Testament as scripture is a prime change. John Chrysostom (c. 400 AD) used as smaller canon that did not include 2 Peter, 2&3 John, Jude or Revelation.
The Septuagint was the original basis for scriptures used by Christians; it took several hundred years to for the New Testament to exist in the current form.
jesus affirms that baptism is necessary for salvation (john3:5).
despite your ad hominems, it is still the church jesus established with peter given the keys of heaven as the first earthly head. all you can do is evade and deny with your repeating accusations.
wrong. you must believe in Him from the heart. an unbeliever who is water baptized is still an unbeliever.
An Apostolic see is any see founded by an Apostle and having the authority of its founder; the Apostolic See is the seat of authority in the Roman Church, continuing the Apostolic functions of Peter, the chief of the Apostles. Heresy and barbarian violence swept away all the particular Churches which could lay claim to an Apostolic see, until Rome alone remained; to Rome, therefore, the term applies as a proper name. But before heresy, schism, and barbarian invasions had done their work, as early as the fourth century, the Roman See was already the Apostolic See par excellence, not only in the West but also in the East.... from cathen.
john 3 is not water baptism but of water and spirit.
as i said, your ad hominems are lame excuses that the catholic chuech is the church jesus established with peter given the keys of heaven as the first earthly head.
I really wish RCs would learn what ad hominem means. I have made none, the true facts are not ad hominem. Every time you falsely accuse me of an ad hominem, you are doing an ad hominem. You are making a personal attack against me. I have not made one against you.
It is not the church established by Jesus, discern the fruit it tell us who established the RCC and it is not Jesus. Peter was not the first head and he would be appalled to be associated with your evil leaders. I have not denied. I have shown the true facts that show the fruit smells. It has condoned and encouraged murders, jealously, torture, forced conversions, orgies, fornication, paedophiles, lies upon lie upon lie, it has been cruel and shown no empathy the list is long and is not new. The latest scandals are just the latest in a long line of evil which shows its true founder. It is not an ad hominem at all to list these things which prove the claims of your institution are false. It is following scripture to do so.
Matt 7:16
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Yep your institution is not producing grapes it is producing thorns.
Phil 1;11
filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ--to the glory and praise of God.
Your institution is filled with the fruit of unrighteousness that does not come through Jesus.
Luke 3: 8-9
Therefore bear fruits in keeping with repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father,’ for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. Indeed the axe is already laid at the root of the trees; so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”
Your institution is not producing good fruit.
An apostolic see is a joke and does not exist except in the mind of the RCC. Your leaders do not follow the apostles, act like the apostles or obey their teachings. Rome was not meant to be the centre of the real church.
That once again is not an ad hominem, they are the truth about your institution. Jesus and Peter would not touch it or its evil fruit with anything, they would flee from it.
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from your CATHOLIC source. where do find that stuff in scripture? post the verses.
Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again,
he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:10
Nicodemus answered and said unto him,
How can these things be?
10Jesus answered and said unto him,
Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
We speak that we do know,
and testify that we have seen;
and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things,
and ye believe not,
how shall ye believe,
if I tell you of heavenly things?
Churchmouse
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What you stated in your prior response has absolutely nothing to do with church infallibility; rather it was on the fate of the old covenant people. So why state it? You jumped from a lesson on Sheol to church infallibility. That's a huge leap, especially since one doesn't have anything to do with the other. Clarify.
Truth7t7
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Post your claims with citations, waiting?
Churchmouse
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Of course God's omniscient! That's apples and oranges. Rather, when you say that the church in Rome is the one that Christ instituted, your statement cannot be trusted because, as you stated, you're fallible. You can't make the claims that you've been making for Rome's prominence because you're fallible. All in all, you are in the very same conundrum you claim non-Catholics are in, that is that you're fallible and so are we. Therefore, there is only one option and that is to trust the only infallible deposit God has given- the Scriptures alone and not a church who claims they must be interpreted for you. That would be a fallible decision you made and one we reject. Sure, there will be doctrinal disagreements- due to our humanity, it comes with the territory -but there is no disagreement on the Scriptural teaching on salvation and that's what counts.
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