Thistle
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@wiseones2cents to be clear anyone who wants to shut down petroleum is a purveyor of death on a massive scale to the tune of tens of millions perhaps even hundreds of millions of people.
Nothing like NC.That is weather. Not climate
Our daughter's state reports snow pack levels between 120% of normal to 133% of normal
"According to the new study by researchers at the University of Illinois Chicago, patients who died because of cold temperatures were responsible for 94% of temperature-related death." Link So in case you're keeping track at home 20 people die of extreme cold for every one person who dies of extreme heat.
Low cost energy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Second dumbest thing!It is absolutely not a ridiculous statement by any stretch of the imagination. The number of people who live who would have died without low-cost access to energy provided by fossil fuels (particularly petroleum) is tens of millions. Massive death is a function of poverty and poverty is a function of lack of modern energy at prices that everyone can easily afford. There's a direct correlation between death and poverty and a direct correlation between wealth and cheap energy. Petroleum equals life the shutting down of petroleum equals death. It is absolutely that simple in any attempt to get around it at least with the technology that we have on the table right now is mostly nonsense. Now if everybody's willing to give up their objections to nuclear energy tomorrow maybe we have something to talk about but I see no evidence of that.
Nonsense. More and more people cant afford to heat their own homes. Tell us again how cold kills more than extreme heat.@wiseones2cents to be clear anyone who wants to shut down petroleum is a purveyor of death on a massive scale to the tune of tens of millions perhaps even hundreds of millions of people.
For every additional person that dies of heat related temperature increase 20 people will live who would've otherwise died of hypothermia. That is a 2000% improvement in the extreme temperature related death rate.Irrelevant. If heat temperatures increase heat related deaths will increase.
The growing season will expand in latitudes further north and south than have ever been available for cultivation before.Simple as that! Especially damaging crops and water supplies.
It's not as dumb as your reaction to it.Low cost energy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Second dumbest thing!
I'm aware of that. It's because of the Biden Administration's energy policies and their war on Ukraine etc. etc. If Donald Trump were back in power we would become the number one producer and exporter of oil in the world again and the prices would come down dramatically. Energy prices are high because the Biden administration wants them high not because of anything that the oil companies are doing or failing to do. If Trump is elected we will have energy prices comparable to those that we experienced in 2019 in no time flat. This is because a big factor moving today's energy prices are the cost of futures, which will come down precipitously based on the policy that the new administration announces.Have you seen the prices of oil gasoline, and as a result EVERYTHING that is transported by it has DOUBLED in price.
In the past everybody was poor just like in every undeveloped country. The only people who are not poor was a very small handful of rich people which is the way things were in the ancient world. The only thing that allowed wealth to reach the middle class is cheap energy.Poverty is a function of lack of modern energy? How oh how did people exist in the past?
I can't help it if you are absolutely ignorant of almost everything. But if you think that people pressing back into the distant past were wealthy you're a blithering idiot.ROTFLOL! Your statements become more and more ridiculous.
There is not "lots of clean energy" relative to the total demand for energy. Energy must be available when people use it. That means when they get in their cars, plug in their toasters, use their hair dryers, turn on their washing machines, do the dishes, click on the ceiling fan, etc. etc. etc. Relative to that demand curve, producing eneryy when it needs to be used, there's absolutely not "lots of clean energy."There are LOTS of clean energy sources already.
Oil companies don't even call themselves oil companies anymore. They call them selves energy companies and they are investing more in clean energy than anybody on the planet. They quite frankly don't know what's going to happen to regulations if we have a succession of politicians like Joe Biden in the White House. They are frankly quite spooked.Only people resisting are the oil industry and their employees!!!
That is a brilliantly stupid comment. 2019 and 20 is not "long" ago. And the days of cheap energy are not "long over." We will definitely experience that level of energy pricing provided we get someone like Donald Trump in the White House. If you remember correctly no one predicted those low levels of energy prices going into Trump's term. Then immediately everyone took those pricing levels for granted once Trump was in the White House, and energy prices started skyrocketing concurrent with Biden's energy policies. This isn't rocket science anybody could implement energy policies that would bring prices down. It's not happening because Biden doesn't want low energy prices.Days of cheap oil are LONG over!!!
What kind of solar energy companies were there in 1963?The oil industry for example bought out solar technology and suppressed it for 60 years!!!
Looking at your response I don't necessarily count you as educated anyway.Who is trying to control poor people? Worst spin ever. Try again. LMAO!!
Saying they dont know any better, doesn't mean they are 'stupid". That's your word.
Political hype. All those "sources" come from "dirty mining and manufacturing"There are LOTS of clean energy sources already.
Only people resisting are the oil industry and their employees!!!
Crude $12.78 April 2020 Why is it important to you to be wrong?Days of cheap oil are LONG over!!!
More from your imaginationThe oil industry for example bought out solar technology and suppressed it for 60 years!!!
Freezing to death will kill ya. Pay attention.Nonsense. More and more people cant afford to heat their own homes. Tell us again how cold kills more than extreme heat.
For every additional person that dies of heat related temperature increase 20 people will live who would've otherwise died of hypothermia. That is a 2000% improvement in the extreme temperature related death rate.
The growing season will expand in latitudes further north and south than have ever been available for cultivation before.
I'm aware of that. It's because of the Biden Administration's energy policies and their war on Ukraine etc. etc. If Donald Trump were back in power we would become the number one producer and exporter of oil in the world again and the prices would come down dramatically. Energy prices are high because the Biden administration wants them high not because of anything that the oil companies are doing or failing to do. If Trump is elected we will have energy prices comparable to those that we experienced in 2019 in no time flat. This is because a big factor moving today's energy prices are the cost of futures, which will come down precipitously based on the policy that the new administration announces.
In the past everybody was poor just like in every undeveloped country. The only people who are not poor was a very small handful of rich people which is the way things were in the ancient world. The only thing that allowed wealth to reach the middle class is cheap energy.
I can't help it if you are absolutely ignorant of almost everything. But if you think that people pressing back into the distant past were wealthy you're a blithering idiot.
There is not "lots of clean energy" relative to the total demand for energy. Energy must be available when people use it. That means when they get in their cars, plug in their toasters, use their hair dryers, turn on their washing machines, do the dishes, click on the ceiling fan, etc. etc. etc. Relative to that demand curve, producing eneryy when it needs to be used, there's absolutely not "lots of clean energy."
So they say, but they dragging their feet!Oil companies don't even call themselves oil companies anymore. They call them selves energy companies and they are investing more in clean energy than anybody on the planet. They quite frankly don't know what's going to happen to regulations if we have a succession of politicians like Joe Biden in the White House. They are frankly quite spooked.
That is a brilliantly stupid comment. 2019 and 20 is not "long" ago. And the days of cheap energy are not "long over." We will definitely experience that level of energy pricing provided we get someone like Donald Trump in the White House. If you remember correctly no one predicted those low levels of energy prices going into Trump's term. Then immediately everyone took those pricing levels for granted once Trump was in the White House, and energy prices started skyrocketing concurrent with Biden's energy policies. This isn't rocket science anybody could implement energy policies that would bring prices down. It's not happening because Biden doesn't want low energy prices.
What kind of solar energy companies were there in 1963?
Awww another one that cant debate and thus resorts to name calling. I hope you people don't talk like that in public or you'd receive some "education".Looking at your response I don't necessarily count you as educated anyway.
Another lie from capitalists only fools believe.LMAO!Political hype. All those "sources" come from "dirty mining and manufacturing"
The only time gas prices came down was during the lockdown. people weren't driving or working so the demand for gas and oil went down.Poor people resist rip-off energy prices.
Crude $12.78 April 2020 Why is it important to you to be wrong?
i studied this stuff decades ago. I should have notes somewhere I can dig up to prove it. But just how long ago was the technology?More from your imagination
Try staying in a sauna for a long period of time.lolFreezing to death will kill ya. Pay attention.
I'm sorry but the stuff that you said in this post is so insanely stupid, ignorant and counterfactual it does not warrant me going through the thing. If you're so ignorant you believe any of that stuff in your post you really don't know anything about what you're presumably talking about.And if the world heats up, more people will die of heat. You still don't get it.lol
Yes in some, and others especially near the equator will be desert like.
Oh please. Oil was almost as high during Bush's war too! It has NOTHING to do with policies and everything to do with price gouging!
Prices are high because demand for oil has drastically increased from China, so when demand goes up, they can get away with prices going up.
Ya? How about pre 9/11 prices? Also the prices at the pumps do not correlate with the cost of a barrel of oil, so it's that capitalists that are raising the price!
Baloney! Wealth was mostly gold, silver, copper, gems, ect... There wasn't enough money to go around. Then they came up with paper money with no real value and voila. They were able to lift more people out of poverty.
Western countries have their gold reserves to thank for their economies. Most of which were stolen from poor Africa!!
It depends on what you define as wealthy!
Wrong. I have a library of clean energy projects in the works. You know everyone should have a solar panel, but the USA and UK who profit the most from the oil businesses, stopped China of dumping cheap solar panels in the west. The reason is obvious. It cuts into their oil profits.
So they say, but they dragging their feet!
The only time gas prices came down was during the lockdown. people weren't driving or working so the demand for gas and oil went down.
Here's a secret for you. Nothin Biden or Trump does, affects oil prices. Other than taxes.
These "energy" companies receive HUGE subsidies from the government while enjoying record profits.
Look it up like I did. If you can't I can provide! They bought out the solar technology and used them to power off shore oil rigs! LONGGGGG ago!
Well the global warming fear mongers pander to such a constituency.I'm sorry but the stuff that you said in this post is so insanely stupid, ignorant and counterfactual it does not warrant me going through the thing. If you're so ignorant you believe any of that stuff in your post you really don't know anything about what you're presumably talking about.
Sauna's are not climate.Try staying in a sauna for a long period of time.lol
So it would seem.Well the global warming fear mongers pander to such a constituency.
Lets agree to disagree. You stated cheap energy has gotten people out of poverty which is absolute nonsense. Energy in a capitalist system is never cheap.I'm sorry but the stuff that you said in this post is so insanely stupid, ignorant and counterfactual it does not warrant me going through the thing. If you're so ignorant you believe any of that stuff in your post you really don't know anything about what you're presumably talking about.
Extreme heat/humidity is. You'd think that would be obvious.lolSauna's are not climate.
Why would they die?And if the world heats up, more people will die of heat. You still don't get it.lol
Try being in the sauna for a few hours and tell me how you like it.Why would they die?
Our daughter RAN an ultra marathon, of which 5 hours were in a canyon over 105 degrees, Her team mate got sick, passed out and he also finished. He was rehabbed.
You need to be careful when you run to Tim Horton's You may be healthy enough or not.