Reformedguy
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Does God love then enough to save them??So then you falsify the following
1Corinthians 10:13; James 1:13-14; 1John 2:16; Jer 32:35; Isa 30:1; Gal 5:7-8; 1Cor 14:33
Does God love then enough to save them??So then you falsify the following
1Corinthians 10:13; James 1:13-14; 1John 2:16; Jer 32:35; Isa 30:1; Gal 5:7-8; 1Cor 14:33
He will save them if they believeDoes God love then enough to save them??
God allows them to reject them so the suffer for a eternity? That's some loving god you have there. I guess He does not love them enough to save them.Because God allows men to reject Him out of His love for them . No force or coercion .
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Does He love them enough to actually save them? Or does His love only go so far?He will save them if they believe
Not if they don't
do you agree he does desire their salvation
Same message loveSo Howie quotes Scripture.
And you quote Jackie DeShannon.
That really shows where our priorities are.
Actually, the reverse is true. Because all men, by nature, reject God (Rom 3:11b), God allows some men to believe in Him.Because God allows men to reject Him out of His love for them . No force or coercion .
hope this helps !!!
Brother, you can read so you know the passages from the writings of the Apostle Paul and John both clearly state that God's grace has been given to all people. Now you can accept them, along with numerous other passages including Hebrews 2:9 that states our Lord tasted death/died for everyone, or you can continue to think opposite.How do you know that?
That's not the only conclusion which can be reached regarding Paul's
I know that all people are not saved; therefore, the "all" cannot mean all without exception, but must mean, all without distinction.
Same difficulty. The whole world isn't given salvation.
DittoBrother, you can read so you know the passages from the writings of the Apostle Paul and John both clearly state that God's grace has been given to all people. Now you can accept them, along with numerous other passages including Hebrews 2:9 that states our Lord tasted death/died for everyone, or you can continue to think opposite.
Here's another one clearly meaning God gave His Son for the whole world, "For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised...All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. (2Co 5:14-20)
And I agree all men are not saved, for not all men who hear believe the Good News. But it is not that God did not, and does not show them grace to believe, "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people”. As Jesus told Nicodemus, some people love the darkness/sin and refuse to come into the light/repent and believe and be reconciled to God.
The whole world is given salvation because God said so, not me. I didn't write the clear passages of the bible. I hope you can accept their truth over all else.
God bless
Sure, He gives to all the grace of rain and to all the grace of fruitful seasons as a witness (acts 14:17), but that is not the grace that saves. It can't be, because by definition, the grace that saves, saves, but not all are saved.Brother, you can read so you know the passages from the writings of the Apostle Paul and John both clearly state that God's grace has been given to all people.
That's what Heb 2:9 says.Now you can accept them, along with numerous other passages including Hebrews 2:9 that states our Lord tasted death/died for everyone, or you can continue to think opposite.
That is what's said in that passage. No one can deny that.Here's another one clearly meaning God gave His Son for the whole world, "For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised...All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. (2Co 5:14-20)
Why is that?And I agree all men are not saved, for not all men who hear believe the Good News.
Again, by definition, "Grace to believe," results in belief. God did not give grace to believe to all men, else all men would believe.But it is not that God did not, and does not show them grace to believe,
As I said to you before, we know that all men are not saved."For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people”.
Paul tells in Rom 3:11b, no one seeks God.As Jesus told Nicodemus, some people love the darkness/sin and refuse to come into the light/repent and believe and be reconciled to God.
That's universalism. God does not give salvation to everyone. He offers it, but He doesn't give it to everyone?The whole world is given salvation because God said so, not me.
Thanks.I didn't write the clear passages of the bible. I hope you can accept their truth over all else.
I believe He does and if they would repent and believe as He commanded He would save them.He does love the non elect. Not with the same love He does for His church. God can and does discriminate with His love as we do.
The question should be does He love them enough to actually save them.
The ones not seeking God are doing so by their choice or either scripture is full of lies. Act 17:27 - That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:Sure, He gives to all the grace of rain and to all the grace of fruitful seasons as a witness (acts 14:17), but that is not the grace that saves. It can't be, because by definition, the grace that saves, saves, but not all are saved.
That's what Heb 2:9 says.
Where does scripture say He gives to everyone the grace that saves ?
That is what's said in that passage. No one can deny that.
Where does scripture say He gives to everyone the grace that saves ?
Why is that?
Again, by definition, "Grace to believe," results in belief. God did not give grace to believe to all men, else all men would believe.
As I said to you before, we know that all men are not saved.
Paul tells in Rom 3:11b, no one seeks God.
That's universalism. God does not give salvation to everyone. He offers it, but He doesn't give it to everyone?
Thanks.
Right, those not seeking do so by choice.The ones not seeking God are doing so by their choice or either scripture is full of lies. Act 17:27 - That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
That is what Jesus said when He said:Right, those not seeking do so by choice.
Yes some are not familiar with the teachings of Jesus.That is what Jesus said when He said:Jhn 3:19 - And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
He does. Jacob I have loved, Essu I have hated (Rom 9)RG, essentially what you are saying is God loves some less.
He gave His Son that the believing ones might be saved, not the entire world (Jn 3:16)And yet the our Lord and His hand picked Apostles declared that God showed His love for the world by giving His Son to be the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. And we know from Hebrews 2:9 that God's Son tasted death for everyone. And yet it seems you think that God loves some less even though He gave His Son for them.
Honestly, if you gave your Son to save the whole world, you would save the whole world. But God doesn't save the whole world, So He musn't have given His Son to dsve everyone, but only some.Hypothetically, if you gave your son to save the whole world, it would seem you would have meant it and fully intended to save the whole world.
God doesn't save everyone.Why should we think any differently with God, especially since it is not hypothetical that God gave His Son to tase death for everyone and be the propitiation for the sins of the whole world?
Amen.That is what Jesus said when He said:Jhn 3:19 - And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
It wasn’t that God rejected them it was that they rejected God.Amen.
Could it be that through God’s foreknowledge He knew Esau would sell his birthright for a bowel of stew ?He does. Jacob I have loved, Essu I have hated (Rom 9)
He gave His Son that the believing ones might be saved, not the entire world (Jn 3:16)
Honestly, if you gave your Son to save the whole world, you would save the whole world. But God doesn't save the whole world, So He musn't have given His Son to dsve everyone, but only some.
God doesn't save everyone.
All men reject God (Rom 3:11b)It wasn’t that God rejected them it was that they rejected God.