King Charisma
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Um, it's kinda dumb to lie about a post IN THAT POST'S OWN THREAD. Just sayin.No. Your op was talking about your thinking.
Um, it's kinda dumb to lie about a post IN THAT POST'S OWN THREAD. Just sayin.No. Your op was talking about your thinking.
You like them, Your Royal Charismaniac? I like the way they accentuate my biceps. Are you jealous?Your armband wearing tendencies
I share Dwight D Eisenhower's opinion on them.You like them, Your Royal Charismaniac? I like the way they accentuate my biceps. Are you jealous?
And that is why you will continue missing the point.Considering that you've become tangentially unrelated to the point of where you want to spend your eternity, I'm not bothered by your complaint here.
I'm not concerned with years Steve. I'm concerned with this thread and trying to follow your wondering train of thought.I've spent years explaining.
You have refused to listen, and run amok with tangential rabbit trails.
That's called confirmation bias.God's Spirit affirms his Word, and encourages us, in our obedience to his Word.
Ever been in a flight simulator Steve?Perfect example of a tangential rabbit trail.
Faith IS the assurance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.
Ever flown a plane? Ever heard of IFR? Instrument Flight Rules.
It's the way pilots fly in storms, and conditions where they are not able to use their senses.
They have to depend on the instruments to fly.
It's the same with biblical christianity.
We follow Jesus by using the bible. I.e., the bible is our IFR.
Faith IS the assurance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.
Consider the IFR example.
Better yet, go talk with a commercial pilot who has flown via IFR.
My assurance in the door analogy is that the door is actually there and opens.Which goes to the point of- you had faith that the individual who handed you the key gave you the right key, for that particular door.
The assurance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.
The assurance was demonstrated by you inserting the key into the lock, and rotating it.
Its working confirmed that it was the right key, and you could then have confidence that it was the right key for that door, and from that point forward, be confident.
You exhibited faith in the initial experience of taking the key, inserting it into the keyhole, and rotating.
Had it not fit the hole, or fit, and not rotated, then you would have learned it was not the right key.
But each step you took demonstrated that you expressed faith, and then you received the assurance that your faith was well-placed and the evidence of things not previously seen.
The fit of the key, and the key's rotating in the keyhole.
The door unlocking/opening is the proof.
Jesus said that he is the door, and by him alone we access God.
By calling on his name, and believing him, we are inserting the key into the door lock, and then turning it, and opening the door.
The right key to the right door.
And nothing your Bible says seems to work so why should I continue?If you say so. I think it's the result of experiencing success in previous endeavors. The bible says that confidence is the result of righteousness.
Isa 32:17 WEB The work of righteousness will be peace, and the effect of righteousness, quietness and confidence forever.
Isa 30:15 WEB For thus said the Lord Yahweh, the Holy One of Israel, “You will be saved in returning and rest. Your strength will be in quietness and in confidence.”......
Confidence is based on experience. On experiencing success and failures. You learn what works, and doesn't work. You continue to do what works, and learn a different way of doing what failed so you can succeed and do what works.
You learned to do what Jesus said after you told yourself that God was real.In learning to do what Jesus said, I learn that I can rest in peace doing what Jesus said because it works, and I can have confidence in him.
In doing this, he demonstrates himself to us. We actually experience peace with him. We actually experience His presence in our lives. We actually experience His joy in our hearts. By learning to follow Jesus and do what he said is right, we experience him
Paul describes in Philippians 3, we experience being conformed to his death, so we may experience the power of his resurrection.
In 2 Corinthians 1, Romans 8, 2 Corinthians 4, we experience the struggles and heartaches of being people who follow Jesus, and in this God demonstrates himself faithful to his word and he comforts, encourages, strengthens and establishes us.
Is there a man made device with which to see God?If you actually have a man made device to do so.
It's invisible to the human eye.
For me God didn't work so I "moved into something else entirely. "Where I come from, the initial experience is that of "taking a chance."
I took a chance with my wife when we first met.
I took a chance at applying for jobs. I took a chance at buying a car. I took a chance at driving. I took a chance at buying a house. I've taken a lot of chances in my life. Some succeeded. Some failed.
Those which succeeded encouraged me, and gave me confidence. Those which failed, and mattered to me, I moved into learning a different way, or just moved into something else entirely.
No. You didn't. You asked if God was real or just BS. If you had got no response you would have moved on.Plainly perceived by engaging Jesus on his terms.
Actually I want evidential proof that the claim is true?Actually, it just means that you don't want it to be true.
The idea that it just magically appeared never actually occurred to me.What I perceived in considering the nighttime sky was awe, and wonder.
How could something so profound come into existence.
The idea that it just magically appeared never actually occurred to me.
That says a lot.Not sure why it's so bizarre.
You dodge everyone's posts in the same way.You're simply not saying anything that I find relevant.
I'm giving you a like, as in "I like Ike."I share Dwight D Eisenhower's opinion on them.
It was traditional. Missouri Synod. Encouraged to not just recite the creed, but live and believe it.After 4 years I was just beginning to get intrigued.
Did any of those 4 years of private education include encouragement to actually do anything the bible describes?
Things that would provide demonstration that God would do something on your behalf, today?
Or was your 4 years of private education just talking about a book that God did stuff for people a very long time ago, but he doesn't actually do anything for people today?
Belief works the same way in everyone that believes regardless of the belief. You have a false one. That doesn't mean it won't have an internalized effect on you like all other cult believers. They all writhe and chant and pray and speak gibberish just like you.Sounds like you're bothered by the idea that God actually works on behalf of, and in the lives of those who believe him.... today.
The law of sufficient causality in conjunction with the BB theory.Describe this "logic".
Less of a leap of faith than atheists.If you put logical thought into it then His existence isn't fairly obvious. Generally speaking, logically you should proportion your beliefs to the evidence. There is no evidence that shows God exists, but there is evidence that you infer God exists from. That inference is a leap of faith from what we actually know.
That theism in general and Christianity in particular has not met it's burden of proof is not a matter of faith.Less of a leap of faith than atheists.
You realize that, at a fundamental level, the universe is not deterministic, right?The law of sufficient causality in conjunction with the BB theory.
Well why dont you present your evidence?This above says it all. ”Normally”, …”normally”, you say, God leaves the universe alone except when he raised from the dead up to 50 human beings.
it is obvious from the rest of your post that you have no clue what the difference is between actual evidence and your opinions. But you do you. Good luck with that.
The evidence is in the science textbooks, publications, and online public databases (eg., PubMed), the world over, but you turn your nose up at them because you would rather believe in superstitions and myths which are nothing more than bad interpretations of scriptures. Whereas, they were meant to be allegorized: “Now this may be allegorized” (Gal 4:24).Well why dont you present your evidence?
Why is why I'm wondering why you keep doing it.Um, it's kinda dumb to lie about a post IN THAT POST'S OWN THREAD. Just sayin.
Oh, your point is eternally clear.And that is why you will continue missing the point.
Then I'd say that you should focus.I'm not concerned with years Steve. I'm concerned with this thread and trying to follow your wondering train of thought.
Really?That's called confirmation bias.
Nope. I'm not a game player.Ever been in a flight simulator Steve?
I actually prefer going somewhere. It's far more enjoyable.You get the same readings but your not actually going anywhere.
Which is exactly what Jesus does for those who believe him.My assurance in the door analogy is that the door is actually there and opens.
Then don't.IF it doesn't should I just keep on trying?
You'd be the first to have succeeded in doing so.Or should I listen to the real estate agent when I tell them the key doesn't work and they come back with "The owner says it does".
Not if you actually engage him on his terms.With Jesus I'm not seeing a door and nothing is opening?
Am I just to wander around forever with this "key" regardless?
It doesn't work according to your perspective.And nothing your Bible says seems to work so why should I continue?
That's YOUR opinion.You learned to do what Jesus said after you told yourself that God was real.
Not that I've ever heard of.Is there a man made device with which to see God?
Bye.For me God didn't work so I "moved into something else entirely. "
And YHVH demonstrated himself knowable and real to me.No. You didn't. You asked if God was real or just BS. If you had got no response you would have moved on.
Do what Jesus said.Actually I want evidential proof that the claim is true?
That's your problem.You are willing to accept it simply because you want it to be true.
That's not what I read in your posts.The idea that it just magically appeared never actually occurred to me.
Then I'd say that you have a twisted and corrupt view of the True and Living God.Being created by a God sounds like magic.
To someone who is afraid to consider their inexperience is their sole defense, that's not surprising.That says a lot.
It's not a dodge.You dodge everyone's posts in the same way.
?So, still no evidence you have the slightest clue you understand what the video you posted is saying about logic.
Ok. I am not, nor have I ever been a Lutheran. I had to go read up on it.It was traditional. Missouri Synod. Encouraged to not just recite the creed, but live and believe it.
So, your belief is exactly the same?Belief works the same way in everyone that believes regardless of the belief.
Sounds like you're talking about yourself.You have a false one.
Which would be?That doesn't mean it won't have an internalized effect on you like all other cult believers.
Ironically, I've never been one to writhe, or chant.They all writhe and chant and pray and speak gibberish just like you.
Still no indication from you that you have the slightest understanding of the video you linked to.To someone who is afraid to consider their inexperience is their sole defense, that's not surprising.
It's not a dodge.
I'm taking them/you as seriously as you want to be taken.
Since you refuse to take YHVH seriously, you make it clear that you don't actually want to be taken seriously.
You're doing this to yourselves.
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Your idea of logic is like the scale of the microbe to the world.
You don't actually want to see.
You're still not providing any indication that you're relevant.Still no indication from you that you have the slightest understanding of the video you linked to.
This doesn't show you have any clue as to the content of the video you posted.You're still not providing any indication that you're relevant.
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First demonstrate you're relevant.