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Dittosorry but that is false
There are many forms of grace and all are not regeneration
which has a specific meaning.
That is mighty sloppy reasoning you are employing there
Dittosorry but that is false
There are many forms of grace and all are not regeneration
which has a specific meaning.
That is mighty sloppy reasoning you are employing there
Yes. I think everyone agrees. Regneration imparts life, it is what happens when Christ indwells us.Regeneration brings about life. It is the means but not the life itself
and how to break thru that and reach a Calvinist mind. I am always interested to hear how a person breaks free from calvinism, what scripture or truth turned them to a more straightforward understanding of the Bible
It’s the new birth , born again , it’s new life . It’s not separate from the indwelling , it’s one in the same . Calvinists makes the fallacy of a distinction without a difference.Yes. I think everyone agrees. Regneration imparts life, it is what happens when Christ indwells us.
Yes you cannot dismiss the evidence for faith before regeneration by arguing about grace before faithDitto
CorrectYes you cannot dismiss the evidence for faith before regeneration by arguing about grace before faith
I to am curious as to why Arminians have to redefine words, and how to break through that and reach an Arminian mind to convince him of the truth.
I almost spit my water out of my mouth 😂That is really funny
Calvinists have another understanding of free will
a revealed and a secret will of God which are contradictory
two kinds of spiritual life
two kinds of calling to salvation - an outward one and an inner one the bible never speaks of
etc
Because it refutes their theology
And for them theology tops scripture
I to am curious as to why Arminians have to redefine words, and how to break through that and reach an Arminian mind to convince him of the truth.
You see, you claim yours is "a more straightforward understanding of the Bible".
We disagree.
try looking at it this way - God has a very Vast understanding - way above ours - even ChristIans
people on the other hand have limited knowledge - but not all the same. God sees from ALL
points of view. people, on the other hand, (unless they know better and start to rise above this error)
are seeing from this corner of logic ----> here ,,,,,,,,,,,, or -- this corner over ------> there, or yet another.
being in the -- corners -- too much -- we can get stuck away from more God - like thinking, i.e. -- wholeness
-- but not our version of wholeness -- if we don't / haven't learned about the Corners yet -- but are still
in a corner... but more like Un-Relegating our thinking -- by learning about all the Corners -- and the Why's of
this is not to say that some corners aren't closer to -- the Center -- or more elevated towards God and truth
possibly -- and of usefulness -- living by one Corner' s ideas over another. but also, we are all different...
so cannot really know what works (what ideas, corner (s) of God's centered All knowledge someone might
be in) for them -- or the reasons for them being there -- good or bad (stuck due to not becoming as a Child
-- for instance , or instead maybe stuck because they were taught not as great things and dont know it yet)
Name one scripture that you think has an obvious face value meaning that you see being twisted here,I to am curious as to why Arminians have to redefine words, and how to break through that and reach an Arminian mind to convince him of the truth.
You see, you claim yours is "a more straightforward understanding of the Bible".
We disagree.
We believe Calvinism is "a more straightforward understanding of the Bible".
And that yours is an incredible wreckage and denial of Scripture.
And if you read through my response to predestine's response earlier today, I wonder why you think we should reject the "straightforward" understanding of Scripture (ie. Calvinism), and instead embrace your MISINTERPRETATION of Scripture, when your side offers nothing but:
1) constant misrepresentations and straw-men of what we actually believe;
2) constant insults, uncharitable comments, and personal attacks;
3) unexegeted "proof-texts" which don't "prove" your side, since there are reasonable and valid alternate interpretations.
There are certainly a number of ideas that we can DISCUSS in a reasonable and charitable manner, but your side doesn't seem to want to. I'm guessing that they know that reasonable discussing and delving into specifics wouldn't go well for your side.
But the prima facia reason why I don't think your side will convince us to agree with you, is because of all your straw-men, you are basically admitting that you are UNABLE to successfuly refute what we ACTUALLY believe, because if you could, you would, without having to invent straw-men to beat down.
there is not one its like finding a needle in a haystack.Name one scripture that you think has an obvious face value meaning that you see being twisted here,
Name one scripture that you think has an obvious face value meaning that you see being twisted here,
I asked for one to demontrate your claim.I could give you a hundred examples.
And you would deny every single one of them.
You missed the point of my post.
What YOU consider "straightforward", others DO NOT.
What WE consider "straightforward", YOU do not.
Can YOU show ME one Scripture that has an "obvious" (I assume you're meaning that we will all agree) face value meaning that you see being twisted here?
That's the point.
EVERYONE is biased here.
And those who deny that they're biased, are the most biased (IMO).
Which is one of the reasons why shouldn't cry "Victory!" on every point.
Which is one of the reasons why we shouldn't try to die on EVERY docrtinal hill.
Which is one of the reasons why the words "let's agree to disagree" are useful.
I'm sorry you missed my point.
I asked for one to demontrate your claim.
Yes I can . Genesis 1 through Revelations 22 .I asked for one to demontrate your claim.
Name one scripture that you think has an obvious face value meaning that you see being .... here,
Yes, you have already told me in our few interchanges that you are not that interested to discuss your own understandings of the BibleRight after YOU demonstrate YOUR claim.
I just turned your argument around and applied it back to you.
Double standards much?
But I can give you TONS of straightforward verses that your side has to twist or deny or redefine:
Acts 13:48
Luke 14:23
John 3:16
John 3:18
John 6:44
John 8:34
John 10:26
John 10:28-29
Eph. 1:4
Eph. 2:1
Eph. 2:8-9
2 Pet. 3:9
1 John 5:1