Contra Calvinism

fltom said:
Again you are being disingenuous

there was no evasion

man is capable of understanding the gospel when it is revealed

remember the regenerate in the parable received it with joy Mat 13:20ff

God hardened men otherwise they could have believe John 12:40

you ignore those
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Again, no answer to my question.

Do unbelievers understand the things of God by the Spirit?

The devils believe. They understand it. Are they saved? Do they understand it Spiritually or in the Spirit? Of course not. Refuted again

Dealt with Mattew 13 in the other thread and your silly understanding.

Why would He harden them if He wanted to save them??
 
Reformedguy said:
Again, no answer to my question.

Do unbelievers understand the things of God by the Spirit?

The devils believe. They understand it. Are they saved? Do they understand it Spiritually or in the Spirit? Of course not. Refuted again

Dealt with Mattew 13 in the other thread and your silly understanding.

Why would He harden them if He wanted to save them??
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Again you distort


there was no evasion

man is capable of understanding the gospel when it is revealed

remember the regenerate in the parable received it with joy Mat 13:20ff

God hardened men otherwise they could have believe John 12:40

you ignore those

and still do

As for you question not at that time

at that time God's purpose was to have Christ go to the cross so he could save them

that would believe
 
fltom said:
Again you distort


there was no evasion

man is capable of understanding the gospel when it is revealed

remember the regenerate in the parable received it with joy Mat 13:20ff

God hardened men otherwise they could have believe John 12:40

you ignore those

and still do

As for you question not at that time

at that time God's purpose was to have Christ go to the cross so he could save them

that would believe
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Sure is when understanding is given by the Spirit.
fltom said:
Again you distort


there was no evasion

man is capable of understanding the gospel when it is revealed

remember the regenerate in the parable received it with joy Mat 13:20ff

God hardened men otherwise they could have believe John 12:40

you ignore those

and still do

As for you question not at that time

at that time God's purpose was to have Christ go to the cross so he could save them

that would believe
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Nobody said they are not capable of understanding. Intellectual ascent however does not save you. Refuted again

So at that time He had no idea they would be lost.

Now if yourpostion is correct you must deny OSAS. In your dumb understanding they recieved the truth, understood it and were regenerated yet it says they fall away
 
Reformedguy said:
Sure is when understanding is given by the Spirit.


Nobody said they are not capable of understanding. Intellectual ascent however does not save you. Refuted again

So at that time He had no idea they would be lost.

Now if yourpostion is correct you must deny OSAS. In your dumb understanding they recieved the truth, understood it and were regenerated yet it says they fall away
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Give it up

The unregenerate receive the word

Your theology held a belief they could not receive the word

Therefore your theology is false

P.S. I do not believe in OSAS

I might argue once regenerated one cannot be lost but that is not the same as OSAS

though I have not always been dogmatic on this point
 
Theo1689 said:
Nope.



Correct.



Wrong.



Wrong again.



Nobody cares what you believe.
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Nope

You do not know what you are talking about and have been contradicted by Matt Slick, JD Martin articles from desiring God and Grace to you ministries as well as many arguments your peers have made previously

that The unregenerate cannot receive the things of God (the Spirit of)

PS You do not speak for everyone so your statement carries no weight

This remains true


The unregenerate received the word

Your theology held a belief they could not receive the word

Therefore your theology is false

now run along
 
fltom said:
Give it up

The unregenerate receive the word

Your theology held a belief they could not receive the word

Therefore your theology is false

P.S. I do not believe in OSAS

I might argue once regenerated one cannot be lost but that is not the same as OSAS

though I have not always been dogmatic on this point
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Its not the same as once saved always saved? Explain the difference
Our Lord's God said:
Why would He harden them if He didn't want to save them?
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Polly? Is that you?
 
fltom said:
Give it up

The unregenerate receive the word

Your theology held a belief they could not receive the word

Therefore your theology is false

P.S. I do not believe in OSAS

I might argue once regenerated one cannot be lost but that is not the same as OSAS

though I have not always been dogmatic on this point
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You might? Its not the same? Explain the functional difference? This I am dying to hear.

So they received the word. regenerated. and then fell away. Are they then unregenerated?

This is a classic example lurkers of why one should not proof text.
 
Reformedguy said:
You might? Its not the same? Explain the functional difference? This I am dying to hear.

So they received the word. regenerated. and then fell away. Are they then unregenerated?

This is a classic example lurkers of why one should not proof text.
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Did you have problems reading?

I never stated they were regenerate

In fact I denied

But you still have dealt with the contradiction to your theology

Your theology claims the unregenerate cannot receive the word

but the parable of the sower shows the unregenerate could receive the word

so you should not proof texted a proof texted

as for osas it is not the same as the perseverance of the preservation of the saints
 
fltom said:
Did you have problems reading?

I never stated they were regenerate

In fact I denied

But you still have dealt with the contradiction to your theology

Your theology claims the unregenerate cannot receive the word

but the parable of the sower shows the unregenerate could receive the word

so you should not proof texted a proof texted

as for osas it is not the same as the perseverance of the preservation of the saints
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No thats not what my theology teaches. I can receive my mail but that does not mean I opened it. I received the letter and read it but do not understand it.

And you have no dealt with yours. Why did they fall away??
 
Reformedguy said:
No thats not what my theology teaches. I can receive my mail but that does not mean I opened it. I received the letter and read it but do not understand it.

And you have no dealt with yours. Why did they fall away??
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Yes that is what your theology teaches

We both know you have quoted 1Cor 2:14 to that end as have other here

Not to mention Matt Slick, Jd Martin with articles on desiring God and grace to you ministries

affirming the unregenerate cannot receive the word

as I previously quoted

Why can you not own your theology ?
 
fltom said:
Deal with your difficulties

They receive the word

Your theology states they cannot do that

It's very simple your theology is false
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Already explained. You lose. Continue your search for your gotcha verse just read it a little more carefully and think.
 
fltom said:
Yes that is what your theology teaches

We both know you have quoted 1Cor 2:14 to that end as have other here

Not to mention Matt Slick, Jd Martin with articles on desiring God and grace to you ministries

affirming the unregenerate cannot receive the word

as I previously quoted

Why can you not own your theology ?
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Salvifically they cannot. Intellectually, look up that word, they most certainly can.
 
Reformedguy said:
Salvifically they cannot. Intellectually, look up that word, they most certainly can.
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Sorry you are adding words to the text and fudging

This is the third time at least you tried altering the text

Your theology holds they cannot receive the word

The parable of the Sower shows that is an Error

You are going to have to live with the fact your theology teaches error
 
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