God has to replace your sweet tooth with a more refined palette.
Grace cannot be demanded
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American Gothic
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the amount of cornbread available indeed might be somewhat limited tho
if God is counting how many people are brought to belief, and has a specific number (of Jews and also gentiles) he will help believe
American Gothic
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none of this really sounds like God super wants us to get any cornbread
has not what is making all humanity unworthy of cornbread already been dealt with with finality at the cross?
"the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" Hebrews 10
Theo1689
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Who do you mean by "us"?
Nope.
Christ laid down His life for the SHEEP, not for the goats.
Heb. 10:10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb. 10:10 ἐν ᾧ θελήματι ἡγιασμένοι ἐσμὲν διὰ τῆς προσφορᾶς τοῦ σώματος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐφάπαξ.
There is no word in the Greek for "all" in this verse.
The word translated "once for all" in the Greek is "ephapax", an intensive form of "hapax", which means "once".
So "ephapax" in the intensive form means something along the lines of:
"once ONLY!"
"once AND FOR ALL (time)".
It cannot possibly mean "once for all people".
If you look for other instances of the term, even in the same epistle, you find:
Heb. 7:27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.
This can't mean, "once for all people", since the high priest offered sacrifice for "the [Jewish] people", not for 'everyone".
Further, the contrast the author is making was that Jesus offered His sacrifice "for one time only", in contrast to the high priests who had to offer them every year.
American Gothic
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in the Olivet Discourse there is a judgement on the gentiles - sheep vs. goats in how they treated Israel during the Tribulation
are you mixing the typology of the Good Shepherd and His Sheepfold
with that of this event?
it is not Mankind that must be redeemed and was promised a Savior after the Fall?
Messiah then dying on behalf of Mankind...
making cornbread then at least available to all Mankind (?)
was it specified in the Adamic covenant promises that He would be coming only for the believing men? or Mankind itself?
kind of superfluous to preach to all Mankind if they don't all have at least a corporate stake in that promise...
(the "us" was Mankind)
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e v e 21
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the reason so few want to go Home is they are busy indulging their fleshbody.
-pauls term
Theo1689
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Interesting that you IGNORED the fact that "ephapax" does NOT mean, "once for all people", it means, "once for all TIME".
American Gothic
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"He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken."
...only for Isaiah's people? (Israel)
"I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me."
...only for Paul?
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Theo1689
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Why do you keep RUNNING AWAY from Heb. 10, your very own proof-text?
"Ephapax" does NOT mean, "once for all people".
It never has.
It never will.
Why do you feel the need to TWIST Scripture?
Then you run away to Isa. 53 (and refuse to give the citation).
And you want to try to TWIST "my people" to mean "all people"?
Is that your game?
So you're trying to claim that "me" means "all people"?
Thank you for showing everyone how perversely you TWIST Scriptures.
American Gothic
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those who hold to Unlimited atonement
have no problem with these "limited" sounding passages...
using Scripture to interpret Scripture
it is obvious that Messiah came and died for more than only for the sins of the (elected) Jewish people and just Paul among Them
to Whom was the Savior and His redemptive work promised way back in Gen 3?
to Whom specifically was the Savior promised?
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, You are cursed more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, And you shall eat dust All the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your...
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Theo1689
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Then why can't you admit you twisted Heb. 10 beyond all recognition?
If it's so "obvious", then why can't you actually DEMONSTRATE it?
Gen. 3 doesn't mention ANYTHING about universal atonement.
preacher4truth
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So what Jesus accomplished on the cross and in His resurrection was for every single human being?
American Gothic
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to Whom specifically were the promises of the Savior and His redemptive work made?
figure that out and
we know God keeps His promises...
Theo1689
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So you have no answers for the questions asked of you.
Thanks for the admission.
If you can't give a compelling alternative theology, then why would you expect anyone to reject God and Biblical Calvinism?
preacher4truth
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So what Jesus accomplished on the cross and in His resurrection was for every single human being?
American Gothic
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Genesis 3 mentions -
Satan
Eve
Adam
children
crushing the head of the Serpent (work)
the Seed (Messiah)
etc.
Satan
Eve
Adam
children
crushing the head of the Serpent (work)
the Seed (Messiah)
etc.
Theo1689
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Clearly he can't answer the question.
Theo1689
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So where is the refutation of "limited atonement"?
preacher4truth
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Yes, avoiding answering a simple question.
This all seems too familiar, like someone we already know.
American Gothic
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to Whom specifically was the promise of the Savior and His redemptive work made?
if you don't have any real opinions to share on that ? then...
Mankind are Adam and Eve's children, no?
where does it say He is coming for and to die on behalf of Believers only?
some say some Calvinists logically project things that are not specifically stated in Scripture
because those things fit their Theology
if you don't have any real opinions to share on that ? then...
Mankind are Adam and Eve's children, no?
where does it say He is coming for and to die on behalf of Believers only?
some say some Calvinists logically project things that are not specifically stated in Scripture
because those things fit their Theology
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