SavedByTheLord
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Well I am SavedByTheLord.
Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles, not Calvin or Luther nor any Reformed person. Please do not be deceived.
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Theo1689
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Is that your legal name found on your birth certificate?
I hate to break this to you, but you are STILL an anonymous internet poster.
David1701
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Yes, that's also true.
David1701
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Please provide a quote, thanks.
There is a whole op on it
God saves unbelievers started by Howie. Theo1689 agreed
It is quite illustrative of how Calvinists here twist scripture
David1701
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Then you should easily be able to provide a quote.
was it too difficult for you to look up
Howie
Major Premise: Believing is godly.
Minor Premise: "God saves the ungodly." Rom 4:5-6
Conclusion: God saves unbelievers.
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Tom is so dense he doesn't realize I my Bible in my position, he doesn't. ?? Is that english? In any case Howie has erased faith and believe from scripture Romans 4:5 (KJV 1900) — 5 But to him that worketh not, but believe on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for...
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but in many posts
David1701
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It's not my responsibility to look up the evidence for your claims. That's your responsibility; so, enough of your cheek.
SavedByTheLord
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Paul wrote the following to Timothy. It is a key to understanding scripture.
Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. - 2 Tim 2:7
Howie did not have much of a leg to stand on
God saves unbelievers ...
Tom is so dense he doesn't realize I my Bible in my position, he doesn't. ?? Is that english? In any case Howie has erased faith and believe from scripture Romans 4:5 (KJV 1900) — 5 But to him that worketh not, but believe on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for...
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Having only a desire to prop up a theology which is obviously false
SavedByTheLord
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It is important to consider what Paul wrote. Most errors are from not doing this.
SavedByTheLord
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According to Paul, the apostle of the Gentiles, a person is not born spiritually dead. Instead a person dies spiritually when they sin. Man is a fallen creature with a sin nature and since sin has entered into the world, all people will eventually sin, and a multitude of times. But the first time God counts a sin against a person, that is when the spiritually die. They do not inherit damnation. Here are some relevant scriptures. From Ezekiel 18 and other verses from the OT, God does not punish the son for the sins of their father, so damnation is not inherited. Pleaee note that Adam and Eve did not have a sin nature and yet sinned. Also Satan and 1/3 of the angels did not have a sin nature yet sinned.
Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things - 2 Tim 2:7
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Romans 7:9-13
Yodas_Prodigy
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So, based on your quote and how you seem to be interpreting it, if someone never learns the Law, they cannot sin.
SavedByTheLord
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Not according to Paul in Romans.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. - Romans 2:12-16
Yodas_Prodigy
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No... Not Paul... You...Not according to Paul in Romans.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. - Romans 2:12-16
Paul teaches that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Paul tells us that no one does good, not one...
The psalmist, David, said that he was guilty of sin from birth
Look, I was guilty of sin from birth,
a sinner the moment my mother conceived me
You are misusing Paul. Romans 1-3 lets us know that everyone is guilty of sin - The Jew, The Gentile, Everyone
SavedByTheLord
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And I agree with Paul. So what is your point?
I trusted in Christ and His sacrifice on the cross as the payment for all my sins and am saved forever.
Who have you trusted and where will you spend eternity?
Yodas_Prodigy
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SavedByTheLord
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Of course. David knew he had sinned and relied on Christ as Saviour.
Again, what is your point?
Yodas_Prodigy
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He was a sinner at birth… How did he sin?
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